Америка и честность. Мнение эмигранта
RE: Америка и честность. Мнение эмигранта
commissar » 30-09-2007
[quote=rjo]
[quote=commissar]
Very pleased to read a great post.
Voting system here: yes, every state has its own rules. That's because this is not federal government's business. Most elections are on a local level with the exception of presidential elections.
Had Democrats won the last 2 presidential elections there would not have been so much noise. They did not like the outcome and that is why they made a stink. Had it been what they hoped for they would have kept their mouths shut.
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The business is not in P or D - they are just an actors (read, objects, not subjects).
I said in prev post about theater and banking society - any objections? :-)
About real power?
There is not really any power in hands of P or D. They just play game.
So the democracy it's just a myth.
You elect somebody, but your elections influence only for a few (to be honest, not very important) things, f.e. gay rights.
The only real power has a large business. Banking, oil, army (production and supply, say hello to Halliburton) and so on.
Their only target - make money. Make huge amount of money.
And you pay them.
Nobody says (read, "press & TV") about your real problems.
What about Medicare?
What about your migrating policy?
What about American identity?
What about an industrial crisis?
Your GDP is now more then 70% of services - this is the greatest disbalance (and you speak about China disbalances? :-)))) of your economy.
You have a loan which is at least 5 times more then your GDP (gov + corp + pvt).
These are the real problems, and only experts in their narrow society speak about them.
I don't say that US is bad or smthng like that - a say that most of your society live in myths... Which was built by press within last 70-100 years...
And the worst that only a 0.001% of population understand that.
[quote=commissar]
Mind you, every vote was count. Every single one. Can you remember such precise counting in Russia? To my recollection, it has always been "thousand, here, thousand there, who cares". Not that Putin had not been elected even if all votes were counted correctly, but that is another subject.
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Yes, i remember such precise counting in Russia.
We have very accurate system of counting and very strong punishment to the officials for errors. Okay, we have it 10 years, and US more than 100, so what?
Do you now, that Putin never has rating less then 70%? :-)
And this is really true - ask practically everybody and every person will tell you about it.
The main Putin advantage - it identify himself with Russia.
And his crew too.
And the large business, formed at last 8-10 years, identify themselves with Russia. This is elite, they has a real power here.
Do you think that our opposition identify themselves with Russia?
No.
Look at these guys from "Another Russia" - they live for a long time at US or Europe.
Kasparos, Kasjanov and others - they are not Russian.
And they work for their US owners.
Please read (авторизуйтесь для просмотра ссылок) - they has a lot of US or European publication about Russia.
Practically every one of them speak about "opposition".
But the truth is that the guys at "Another Russia" are not the opposition - they are just Russian foes.
Do we have any public person, that identify himself with Russia and can be a serious pretender to become a President?
No. And it is quite sad.
But i'm sure - live for 10-20 years and we will have a really advanced and balanced politic system here with opposition and all these theater persons.
Maybe not everybody believes, but i do.
Ask people here.
And about "an every single vote" - can you remember a Diebold history? :-)
So, you are not very honest with us when you speak about "every sigle vote" :-)
As i said - "honest elections" is a myth.
[quote=commissar]
There is no direct presidential election, true. The current Electoral College system has been scrutinized many times throughout the history and was left alone. It seems to work, although may not be perfect. I would be OK with either. Although with direct election hardly anyone would care about fewer populated states and that was the whole reason for the current system, to my knowledge.
[/quote]
There was a very interesting situation with previous US elections.
Real votes shared as about 50/50 with very small excess (at the level of statistical error).
But the Electoral Colleague choosed Bush with reasonable excess.
So, you can have an interesting situation when most people choose one candidate, but your Electoral Colleague chooses another candidate.
Is this better that our straight electoral system? :-)
I think not. So, here we have a lot more clean electoral system.
And more democracy in that case :-)))
[quote=commissar]
Freedom of speech: it is true that in Russia there are lots of different opinions in the media; however, the main media outlets that reache the vast majority of people are pro-Goverment. The opposition ones can only enjoy freedom on the Internet that most Russians have no access to.
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As i said, we have not real opposition that is electorally capable.
And there should be a political theater in 10-20 years here in Russia.
[quote=commissar]
In US, most media belongs to left-wingers that are very critical of the current Government. FoxNews seems to be the only exception. I would not call Fox pro-Bush though, far from that. Besides, pro- or against Bush is not a criteria that I use anyway. Now, the Internet news sources & talk radio are more conservative than TV & newspapers.
Assumming Fox is pro-current Government (it is not though), the rest of them are not.
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The real business is not in the Bush critic.
But it is in the real problems observing, not in the artificial ones.
[quote=commissar]
Real democracy means equal access for all candidates, free unrestricted elections conforming to the law; accountability of elected representatives; freedom of speech and of press. That's what first comes to my mind.
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But we have the equal access!
Look at our laws.
Your words are based on another myth, built by US & Eu press.
Every candidate has a full access to TV & press at the pre-elections time.
Really, the access to the press is based on money. Looks similar to US rules :-)
[quote=commissar]
I did not say Russia is better or US is better, it would be too broad statement which does not mean a thing. Each country is better in some ways and worse in other ways for every given individual as we are all created unique.
I do not think of my mentality being American or Russian. I know many people in Russia who agree with me and many that do not, and likewise here in the US. Unfortunately, I don't feel comfortable in Russia like I was relatively comfortable in the former USSR; I feel much better in USA than in modern Russia; so I guess you can call me American.
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I meant exactly the same. But these words are very common: everybody can say them and nothing will be changed at all.[hr]Oh, by the way, did you find the Гумилев theory?
[/quote]
Not familiar with P & D.
You asked:
I said in prev post about theater and banking society - any objections? :-)
About real power?
Answer:
Sorry for missing this earlier. Someone, I forgot who, said that the whole world is a play and all people are actors. From that point of view it may indeed be called a theater. I do not think so.
Corporate world obviously has more power in global issues, namely, in financial. It does not mean that there is no democracy, though.
You wrote:
You elect somebody, but your elections influence only for a few (to be honest, not very important) things.
Answer:
those few things (not really few, not even close to be few, much more than few) may not be important to people in other countries yet are very important to Americans. We vote on every little tax change, on every proposition on city, county, state & federal levels. Presidential elections are just some, there are many more locally. President is not a czar here, he is an employee and so are the senators and congressmen and other elected representatives.
You asked:
What about Medicare?
Answer:
I don't have enough knowledge of the subject to give any answer.
You asked:
What about your migrating policy?
Answer: it is a disaster! My opinion: access to any social services for illegals should be stopped, businesses that hire them should be heavily prosecuted; this will make most of illegals leave the country; and we should prosecute them when caught for being here illegally which is a crime according to the law. I thinsk that immigration should be based mostly on merit.
You asked:
What about American identity?
Answer: we are losing it, mostly due to illegal immigration & also due to millions of leftists who think they are entitled to everything and contribute almost nothing.
You asked:
What about an industrial crisis?
Answer: what crisis? We don't have any. There was one in the 30s, that's the last one I can recall. Stocks are up, hardly any unemployment, taxes are down.
You wrote:
We have very accurate system of counting and very strong punishment to the officials for errors.
My comments: I beg to differ. You are the first one to tell me that, besides Kremlin; other people I spoke to & the media tell me the opposite.
You asked:
Do you now, that Putin never has rating less then 70%?
Answer: I do, and that is one of the things that worries me. Even if all votes were counted correctly in the last presidential election he still would have won. To me, he is a dishonest & cynical person, I would not trust him a thing. What worries me is that Russians are brainwashed so much that astounding 70% of voters vote for him.
I will answer the rest later as getting more work now. Meanwhile, pls read the quote below from someone else that I agree with:
Сколько людей - столько и мнений. И это хорошо. В споре рождается истина (пока спорщики не начинают проламывать головы друг дружке).
О себе. Родился и жил в СССР. Даже был членом кпсс (несознательным). По работе - инженер по пром. вакуумуным установкам.
Уехал в 2005-м, на старости лет (6 лет до пенсии). Бросил работу с зарплатой 50 тыс.р./мес, квартиру в Крылатском. Гори оно огнем.
Не еврей и не беженец ни разу. Предки до седьмого колена - православные крестьяне, сам - техническая интеллигенция во втором поколении.
Ехал по линии проф эмиграции. Да, сначала было трудно. Сейчас встал на ноги. Всем доволен, о чем вам и рапортую. Планирую получать гражданство, затем перетаскивать сюда детей.
Зачем ехал? Братцы, даже и не спрашивайте - просто оглянитесь вокруг себя: куда наша страна-то катится?! Это просто Дежа Вю какое-то, all over again. Я это уже видел и не раз и не два. И серые гебешно-номенклатурные лица на телеэкране, и фразы времен холодной войны из уст руководителей страны . Что мне, по третьему разу один и тот же телефильм смотреть? Нет уж, увольте.
Да, мне грустно, и сердце щемит оттого, что я уехал от своего народа, который за 50 лет так и не научился не ссать в лифтах и не распивать спиртное в детских песочницах.
Самое главное: насмотрелся я басен по телевизору из Кремля «еще немного, еще чуть-чуть, и мы будем жить не хуже, чем в Америке! А пока - потерпите».
Баста. Хватит. Я уехал и теперь живу не «как в Америке» а просто - «в Америке», и - сегодня! а не завтра. Чего и вам желаю.
Если в России удастся построить такое же успешное общество, как в Америке, я буду счастлив. А пока же мне хочется прожить оставшиеся годы в спокойной и сытой старости, а не рядом с жерлом вулкана, где то жар, то мороз, то пир, то мор.
[quote=commissar]
Very pleased to read a great post.
Voting system here: yes, every state has its own rules. That's because this is not federal government's business. Most elections are on a local level with the exception of presidential elections.
Had Democrats won the last 2 presidential elections there would not have been so much noise. They did not like the outcome and that is why they made a stink. Had it been what they hoped for they would have kept their mouths shut.
[/quote]
The business is not in P or D - they are just an actors (read, objects, not subjects).
I said in prev post about theater and banking society - any objections? :-)
About real power?
There is not really any power in hands of P or D. They just play game.
So the democracy it's just a myth.
You elect somebody, but your elections influence only for a few (to be honest, not very important) things, f.e. gay rights.
The only real power has a large business. Banking, oil, army (production and supply, say hello to Halliburton) and so on.
Their only target - make money. Make huge amount of money.
And you pay them.
Nobody says (read, "press & TV") about your real problems.
What about Medicare?
What about your migrating policy?
What about American identity?
What about an industrial crisis?
Your GDP is now more then 70% of services - this is the greatest disbalance (and you speak about China disbalances? :-)))) of your economy.
You have a loan which is at least 5 times more then your GDP (gov + corp + pvt).
These are the real problems, and only experts in their narrow society speak about them.
I don't say that US is bad or smthng like that - a say that most of your society live in myths... Which was built by press within last 70-100 years...
And the worst that only a 0.001% of population understand that.
[quote=commissar]
Mind you, every vote was count. Every single one. Can you remember such precise counting in Russia? To my recollection, it has always been "thousand, here, thousand there, who cares". Not that Putin had not been elected even if all votes were counted correctly, but that is another subject.
[/quote]
Yes, i remember such precise counting in Russia.
We have very accurate system of counting and very strong punishment to the officials for errors. Okay, we have it 10 years, and US more than 100, so what?
Do you now, that Putin never has rating less then 70%? :-)
And this is really true - ask practically everybody and every person will tell you about it.
The main Putin advantage - it identify himself with Russia.
And his crew too.
And the large business, formed at last 8-10 years, identify themselves with Russia. This is elite, they has a real power here.
Do you think that our opposition identify themselves with Russia?
No.
Look at these guys from "Another Russia" - they live for a long time at US or Europe.
Kasparos, Kasjanov and others - they are not Russian.
And they work for their US owners.
Please read (авторизуйтесь для просмотра ссылок) - they has a lot of US or European publication about Russia.
Practically every one of them speak about "opposition".
But the truth is that the guys at "Another Russia" are not the opposition - they are just Russian foes.
Do we have any public person, that identify himself with Russia and can be a serious pretender to become a President?
No. And it is quite sad.
But i'm sure - live for 10-20 years and we will have a really advanced and balanced politic system here with opposition and all these theater persons.
Maybe not everybody believes, but i do.
Ask people here.
And about "an every single vote" - can you remember a Diebold history? :-)
So, you are not very honest with us when you speak about "every sigle vote" :-)
As i said - "honest elections" is a myth.
[quote=commissar]
There is no direct presidential election, true. The current Electoral College system has been scrutinized many times throughout the history and was left alone. It seems to work, although may not be perfect. I would be OK with either. Although with direct election hardly anyone would care about fewer populated states and that was the whole reason for the current system, to my knowledge.
[/quote]
There was a very interesting situation with previous US elections.
Real votes shared as about 50/50 with very small excess (at the level of statistical error).
But the Electoral Colleague choosed Bush with reasonable excess.
So, you can have an interesting situation when most people choose one candidate, but your Electoral Colleague chooses another candidate.
Is this better that our straight electoral system? :-)
I think not. So, here we have a lot more clean electoral system.
And more democracy in that case :-)))
[quote=commissar]
Freedom of speech: it is true that in Russia there are lots of different opinions in the media; however, the main media outlets that reache the vast majority of people are pro-Goverment. The opposition ones can only enjoy freedom on the Internet that most Russians have no access to.
[/quote]
As i said, we have not real opposition that is electorally capable.
And there should be a political theater in 10-20 years here in Russia.
[quote=commissar]
In US, most media belongs to left-wingers that are very critical of the current Government. FoxNews seems to be the only exception. I would not call Fox pro-Bush though, far from that. Besides, pro- or against Bush is not a criteria that I use anyway. Now, the Internet news sources & talk radio are more conservative than TV & newspapers.
Assumming Fox is pro-current Government (it is not though), the rest of them are not.
[/quote]
The real business is not in the Bush critic.
But it is in the real problems observing, not in the artificial ones.
[quote=commissar]
Real democracy means equal access for all candidates, free unrestricted elections conforming to the law; accountability of elected representatives; freedom of speech and of press. That's what first comes to my mind.
[/quote]
But we have the equal access!
Look at our laws.
Your words are based on another myth, built by US & Eu press.
Every candidate has a full access to TV & press at the pre-elections time.
Really, the access to the press is based on money. Looks similar to US rules :-)
[quote=commissar]
I did not say Russia is better or US is better, it would be too broad statement which does not mean a thing. Each country is better in some ways and worse in other ways for every given individual as we are all created unique.
I do not think of my mentality being American or Russian. I know many people in Russia who agree with me and many that do not, and likewise here in the US. Unfortunately, I don't feel comfortable in Russia like I was relatively comfortable in the former USSR; I feel much better in USA than in modern Russia; so I guess you can call me American.
[/quote]
I meant exactly the same. But these words are very common: everybody can say them and nothing will be changed at all.[hr]Oh, by the way, did you find the Гумилев theory?
[/quote]
Not familiar with P & D.
You asked:
I said in prev post about theater and banking society - any objections? :-)
About real power?
Answer:
Sorry for missing this earlier. Someone, I forgot who, said that the whole world is a play and all people are actors. From that point of view it may indeed be called a theater. I do not think so.
Corporate world obviously has more power in global issues, namely, in financial. It does not mean that there is no democracy, though.
You wrote:
You elect somebody, but your elections influence only for a few (to be honest, not very important) things.
Answer:
those few things (not really few, not even close to be few, much more than few) may not be important to people in other countries yet are very important to Americans. We vote on every little tax change, on every proposition on city, county, state & federal levels. Presidential elections are just some, there are many more locally. President is not a czar here, he is an employee and so are the senators and congressmen and other elected representatives.
You asked:
What about Medicare?
Answer:
I don't have enough knowledge of the subject to give any answer.
You asked:
What about your migrating policy?
Answer: it is a disaster! My opinion: access to any social services for illegals should be stopped, businesses that hire them should be heavily prosecuted; this will make most of illegals leave the country; and we should prosecute them when caught for being here illegally which is a crime according to the law. I thinsk that immigration should be based mostly on merit.
You asked:
What about American identity?
Answer: we are losing it, mostly due to illegal immigration & also due to millions of leftists who think they are entitled to everything and contribute almost nothing.
You asked:
What about an industrial crisis?
Answer: what crisis? We don't have any. There was one in the 30s, that's the last one I can recall. Stocks are up, hardly any unemployment, taxes are down.
You wrote:
We have very accurate system of counting and very strong punishment to the officials for errors.
My comments: I beg to differ. You are the first one to tell me that, besides Kremlin; other people I spoke to & the media tell me the opposite.
You asked:
Do you now, that Putin never has rating less then 70%?
Answer: I do, and that is one of the things that worries me. Even if all votes were counted correctly in the last presidential election he still would have won. To me, he is a dishonest & cynical person, I would not trust him a thing. What worries me is that Russians are brainwashed so much that astounding 70% of voters vote for him.
I will answer the rest later as getting more work now. Meanwhile, pls read the quote below from someone else that I agree with:
Сколько людей - столько и мнений. И это хорошо. В споре рождается истина (пока спорщики не начинают проламывать головы друг дружке).
О себе. Родился и жил в СССР. Даже был членом кпсс (несознательным). По работе - инженер по пром. вакуумуным установкам.
Уехал в 2005-м, на старости лет (6 лет до пенсии). Бросил работу с зарплатой 50 тыс.р./мес, квартиру в Крылатском. Гори оно огнем.
Не еврей и не беженец ни разу. Предки до седьмого колена - православные крестьяне, сам - техническая интеллигенция во втором поколении.
Ехал по линии проф эмиграции. Да, сначала было трудно. Сейчас встал на ноги. Всем доволен, о чем вам и рапортую. Планирую получать гражданство, затем перетаскивать сюда детей.
Зачем ехал? Братцы, даже и не спрашивайте - просто оглянитесь вокруг себя: куда наша страна-то катится?! Это просто Дежа Вю какое-то, all over again. Я это уже видел и не раз и не два. И серые гебешно-номенклатурные лица на телеэкране, и фразы времен холодной войны из уст руководителей страны . Что мне, по третьему разу один и тот же телефильм смотреть? Нет уж, увольте.
Да, мне грустно, и сердце щемит оттого, что я уехал от своего народа, который за 50 лет так и не научился не ссать в лифтах и не распивать спиртное в детских песочницах.
Самое главное: насмотрелся я басен по телевизору из Кремля «еще немного, еще чуть-чуть, и мы будем жить не хуже, чем в Америке! А пока - потерпите».
Баста. Хватит. Я уехал и теперь живу не «как в Америке» а просто - «в Америке», и - сегодня! а не завтра. Чего и вам желаю.
Если в России удастся построить такое же успешное общество, как в Америке, я буду счастлив. А пока же мне хочется прожить оставшиеся годы в спокойной и сытой старости, а не рядом с жерлом вулкана, где то жар, то мороз, то пир, то мор.
RE: Америка и честность. Мнение эмигранта
rjo » 30-09-2007
[quote=commissar]
Not familiar with P & D.
[/quote]
I met this indulgent name for Republican and Democratic parties. I thought that this is common name in US speech for them.
[quote=commissar]
You asked:
I said in prev post about theater and banking society - any objections? :-)
About real power?
Answer:
Sorry for missing this earlier. Someone, I forgot who, said that the whole world is a play and all people are actors. From that point of view it may indeed be called a theater. I do not think so.
Corporate world obviously has more power in global issues, namely, in financial. It does not mean that there is no democracy, though.
[/quote]
Financial power is most important nowadays. We are going the same way in Russia...
[quote=commissar]
You wrote:
You elect somebody, but your elections influence only for a few (to be honest, not very important) things.
Answer:
those few things (not really few, not even close to be few, much more than few) may not be important to people in other countries yet are very important to Americans. We vote on every little tax change, on every proposition on city, county, state & federal levels. Presidential elections are just some, there are many more locally. President is not a czar here, he is an employee and so are the senators and congressmen and other elected representatives.
[/quote]
Can you vote for changing the migration policy?
[quote=commissar]
You asked:
What about Medicare?
Answer:
I don't have enough knowledge of the subject to give any answer.
[/quote]
Please read "The Age of Turbulence: Adventures in a New World" of Alan Greenspan.
[quote=commissar]
You asked:
What about your migrating policy?
Answer: it is a disaster! My opinion: access to any social services for illegals should be stopped, businesses that hire them should be heavily prosecuted; this will make most of illegals leave the country; and we should prosecute them when caught for being here illegally which is a crime according to the law. I thinsk that immigration should be based mostly on merit.
[/quote]
Do you have any means to change these policy as citizen?
[quote=commissar]
You asked:
What about American identity?
Answer: we are losing it, mostly due to illegal immigration & also due to millions of leftists who think they are entitled to everything and contribute almost nothing.
[/quote]
We will have the same problems if we will not change our policies in 5 years or less. We have more and more people moving here with crazy law
infringements :-(
First of all, from China...
[quote=commissar]
You asked:
What about an industrial crisis?
Answer: what crisis? We don't have any. There was one in the 30s, that's the last one I can recall. Stocks are up, hardly any unemployment, taxes are down.
[/quote]
Please, read the Alan Greenspan book first.
You can buy it on Amazon.
Really, the economic society speak about crisis several years.
[quote=commissar]
You wrote:
We have very accurate system of counting and very strong punishment to the officials for errors.
My comments: I beg to differ. You are the first one to tell me that, besdies Kremlin; other people I spoke to & the media tell me the opposite.
[/quote]
This is the next myth.
Yep, the political party "Единая Россия" is the mainstream today here.
I don't like them - but this party is only a temporary mean for Kremlin.
I'm sure they will live for about 1 or maximum 2 President terms - later they will loose any Kremlin support.
[quote=commissar]
You asked:
Do you now, that Putin never has rating less then 70%?
Answer: I do, and that is one of the things that worries me. Even if all votes were counted correctly in the last presidential election he still would have won. To me, he is a dishonest & cynical person, I would not trust him a thing. What worries me is that Russians are brainwashed so much that astounding 70% of voters vote for him.
[/quote]
Heh.
If you would live in Russia i could say smthng like 'Look around'.
We have a lot of new buildings, new businesses, new jobs and so on.
Maybe we are brainwashed :-)
But facts are speaking by themselves. We live better and better each year.
It's very silly "not to notice" all changes around us...
Yes, i say thanks to Putin and his crew for this.
[quote=commissar]
I will answer the rest later as getting more work now. Meanwhile, pls read the quote below from someone else that I agree with:
Сколько людей - столько и мнений. И это хорошо. В споре рождается истина (пока спорщики не начинают проламывать головы друг дружке).
О себе. Родился и жил в СССР. Даже был членом кпсс (несознательным). По работе - инженер по пром. вакуумуным установкам.
Уехал в 2005-м, на старости лет (6 лет до пенсии). Бросил работу с зарплатой 50 тыс.р./мес, квартиру в Крылатском. Гори оно огнем.
Не еврей и не беженец ни разу. Предки до седьмого колена - православные крестьяне, сам - техническая интеллигенция во втором поколении.
Ехал по линии проф эмиграции. Да, сначала было трудно. Сейчас встал на ноги. Всем доволен, о чем вам и рапортую. Планирую получать гражданство, затем перетаскивать сюда детей.
Зачем ехал? Братцы, даже и не спрашивайте - просто оглянитесь вокруг себя: куда наша страна-то катится?! Это просто Дежа Вю какое-то, all over again. Я это уже видел и не раз и не два. И серые гебешно-номенклатурные лица на телеэкране, и фразы времен холодной войны из уст руководителей страны . Что мне, по третьему разу один и тот же телефильм смотреть? Нет уж, увольте.
Да, мне грустно, и сердце щемит оттого, что я уехал от своего народа, который за 50 лет так и не научился не ссать в лифтах и не распивать спиртное в детских песочницах.
Самое главное: насмотрелся я басен по телевизору из Кремля «еще немного, еще чуть-чуть, и мы будем жить не хуже, чем в Америке! А пока - потерпите».
Баста. Хватит. Я уехал и теперь живу не «как в Америке» а просто - «в Америке», и - сегодня! а не завтра. Чего и вам желаю.
Если в России удастся построить такое же успешное общество, как в Америке, я буду счастлив. А пока же мне хочется прожить оставшиеся годы в спокойной и сытой старости, а не рядом с жерлом вулкана, где то жар, то мороз, то пир, то мор.
[/quote]
I don't understand this man.
Yes, we have a lot of people, that live poor and ugly. This man wasn't poor really, 50000 rubles it is about 2000$ monthly clean.
To complete speech about poor people: they live everywhere, in US as I now more then 12% of them.
We have about 16%.
Remember, 8 years ago there was 2 times more poor people in Russia (about 30%).
I just see my friends, my semi-friends and people around me.
For example, our forum member Kent got a mortgage and bought an apartment last year.
My brother is going to marry and buy an apartment using mortgage this year.
Of course we have a lot of problems, but we are solving them.
Look at our economic situation - it is brilliant now!
Why people are going to migrate?
Maybe they think they will live bad later?
But i don't see any ideas why they can think so.
Most likely, they believe in some myths, built by US and Eu press.
By the way, which Russian press you read?
What are common sources of information about Russia you have?
Not familiar with P & D.
[/quote]
I met this indulgent name for Republican and Democratic parties. I thought that this is common name in US speech for them.
[quote=commissar]
You asked:
I said in prev post about theater and banking society - any objections? :-)
About real power?
Answer:
Sorry for missing this earlier. Someone, I forgot who, said that the whole world is a play and all people are actors. From that point of view it may indeed be called a theater. I do not think so.
Corporate world obviously has more power in global issues, namely, in financial. It does not mean that there is no democracy, though.
[/quote]
Financial power is most important nowadays. We are going the same way in Russia...
[quote=commissar]
You wrote:
You elect somebody, but your elections influence only for a few (to be honest, not very important) things.
Answer:
those few things (not really few, not even close to be few, much more than few) may not be important to people in other countries yet are very important to Americans. We vote on every little tax change, on every proposition on city, county, state & federal levels. Presidential elections are just some, there are many more locally. President is not a czar here, he is an employee and so are the senators and congressmen and other elected representatives.
[/quote]
Can you vote for changing the migration policy?
[quote=commissar]
You asked:
What about Medicare?
Answer:
I don't have enough knowledge of the subject to give any answer.
[/quote]
Please read "The Age of Turbulence: Adventures in a New World" of Alan Greenspan.
[quote=commissar]
You asked:
What about your migrating policy?
Answer: it is a disaster! My opinion: access to any social services for illegals should be stopped, businesses that hire them should be heavily prosecuted; this will make most of illegals leave the country; and we should prosecute them when caught for being here illegally which is a crime according to the law. I thinsk that immigration should be based mostly on merit.
[/quote]
Do you have any means to change these policy as citizen?
[quote=commissar]
You asked:
What about American identity?
Answer: we are losing it, mostly due to illegal immigration & also due to millions of leftists who think they are entitled to everything and contribute almost nothing.
[/quote]
We will have the same problems if we will not change our policies in 5 years or less. We have more and more people moving here with crazy law
infringements :-(
First of all, from China...
[quote=commissar]
You asked:
What about an industrial crisis?
Answer: what crisis? We don't have any. There was one in the 30s, that's the last one I can recall. Stocks are up, hardly any unemployment, taxes are down.
[/quote]
Please, read the Alan Greenspan book first.
You can buy it on Amazon.
Really, the economic society speak about crisis several years.
[quote=commissar]
You wrote:
We have very accurate system of counting and very strong punishment to the officials for errors.
My comments: I beg to differ. You are the first one to tell me that, besdies Kremlin; other people I spoke to & the media tell me the opposite.
[/quote]
This is the next myth.
Yep, the political party "Единая Россия" is the mainstream today here.
I don't like them - but this party is only a temporary mean for Kremlin.
I'm sure they will live for about 1 or maximum 2 President terms - later they will loose any Kremlin support.
[quote=commissar]
You asked:
Do you now, that Putin never has rating less then 70%?
Answer: I do, and that is one of the things that worries me. Even if all votes were counted correctly in the last presidential election he still would have won. To me, he is a dishonest & cynical person, I would not trust him a thing. What worries me is that Russians are brainwashed so much that astounding 70% of voters vote for him.
[/quote]
Heh.
If you would live in Russia i could say smthng like 'Look around'.
We have a lot of new buildings, new businesses, new jobs and so on.
Maybe we are brainwashed :-)
But facts are speaking by themselves. We live better and better each year.
It's very silly "not to notice" all changes around us...
Yes, i say thanks to Putin and his crew for this.
[quote=commissar]
I will answer the rest later as getting more work now. Meanwhile, pls read the quote below from someone else that I agree with:
Сколько людей - столько и мнений. И это хорошо. В споре рождается истина (пока спорщики не начинают проламывать головы друг дружке).
О себе. Родился и жил в СССР. Даже был членом кпсс (несознательным). По работе - инженер по пром. вакуумуным установкам.
Уехал в 2005-м, на старости лет (6 лет до пенсии). Бросил работу с зарплатой 50 тыс.р./мес, квартиру в Крылатском. Гори оно огнем.
Не еврей и не беженец ни разу. Предки до седьмого колена - православные крестьяне, сам - техническая интеллигенция во втором поколении.
Ехал по линии проф эмиграции. Да, сначала было трудно. Сейчас встал на ноги. Всем доволен, о чем вам и рапортую. Планирую получать гражданство, затем перетаскивать сюда детей.
Зачем ехал? Братцы, даже и не спрашивайте - просто оглянитесь вокруг себя: куда наша страна-то катится?! Это просто Дежа Вю какое-то, all over again. Я это уже видел и не раз и не два. И серые гебешно-номенклатурные лица на телеэкране, и фразы времен холодной войны из уст руководителей страны . Что мне, по третьему разу один и тот же телефильм смотреть? Нет уж, увольте.
Да, мне грустно, и сердце щемит оттого, что я уехал от своего народа, который за 50 лет так и не научился не ссать в лифтах и не распивать спиртное в детских песочницах.
Самое главное: насмотрелся я басен по телевизору из Кремля «еще немного, еще чуть-чуть, и мы будем жить не хуже, чем в Америке! А пока - потерпите».
Баста. Хватит. Я уехал и теперь живу не «как в Америке» а просто - «в Америке», и - сегодня! а не завтра. Чего и вам желаю.
Если в России удастся построить такое же успешное общество, как в Америке, я буду счастлив. А пока же мне хочется прожить оставшиеся годы в спокойной и сытой старости, а не рядом с жерлом вулкана, где то жар, то мороз, то пир, то мор.
[/quote]
I don't understand this man.
Yes, we have a lot of people, that live poor and ugly. This man wasn't poor really, 50000 rubles it is about 2000$ monthly clean.
To complete speech about poor people: they live everywhere, in US as I now more then 12% of them.
We have about 16%.
Remember, 8 years ago there was 2 times more poor people in Russia (about 30%).
I just see my friends, my semi-friends and people around me.
For example, our forum member Kent got a mortgage and bought an apartment last year.
My brother is going to marry and buy an apartment using mortgage this year.
Of course we have a lot of problems, but we are solving them.
Look at our economic situation - it is brilliant now!
Why people are going to migrate?
Maybe they think they will live bad later?
But i don't see any ideas why they can think so.
Most likely, they believe in some myths, built by US and Eu press.
By the way, which Russian press you read?
What are common sources of information about Russia you have?
RE: Америка и честность. Мнение эмигранта
commissar » 30-09-2007
[quote=rjo]
[quote=commissar]
Not familiar with P & D.
[/quote]
I met this indulgent name for Republican and Democratic parties. I thought that this is common name in US speech for them.
[quote=commissar]
You asked:
I said in prev post about theater and banking society - any objections? :-)
About real power?
Answer:
Sorry for missing this earlier. Someone, I forgot who, said that the whole world is a play and all people are actors. From that point of view it may indeed be called a theater. I do not think so.
Corporate world obviously has more power in global issues, namely, in financial. It does not mean that there is no democracy, though.
[/quote]
Financial power is most important nowadays. We are going the same way in Russia...
[quote=commissar]
You wrote:
You elect somebody, but your elections influence only for a few (to be honest, not very important) things.
Answer:
those few things (not really few, not even close to be few, much more than few) may not be important to people in other countries yet are very important to Americans. We vote on every little tax change, on every proposition on city, county, state & federal levels. Presidential elections are just some, there are many more locally. President is not a czar here, he is an employee and so are the senators and congressmen and other elected representatives.
[/quote]
Can you vote for changing the migration policy?
[quote=commissar]
You asked:
What about Medicare?
Answer:
I don't have enough knowledge of the subject to give any answer.
[/quote]
Please read "The Age of Turbulence: Adventures in a New World" of Alan Greenspan.
[quote=commissar]
You asked:
What about your migrating policy?
Answer: it is a disaster! My opinion: access to any social services for illegals should be stopped, businesses that hire them should be heavily prosecuted; this will make most of illegals leave the country; and we should prosecute them when caught for being here illegally which is a crime according to the law. I thinsk that immigration should be based mostly on merit.
[/quote]
Do you have any means to change these policy as citizen?
[quote=commissar]
You asked:
What about American identity?
Answer: we are losing it, mostly due to illegal immigration & also due to millions of leftists who think they are entitled to everything and contribute almost nothing.
[/quote]
We will have the same problems if we will not change our policies in 5 years or less. We have more and more people moving here with crazy law
infringements :-(
First of all, from China...
[quote=commissar]
You asked:
What about an industrial crisis?
Answer: what crisis? We don't have any. There was one in the 30s, that's the last one I can recall. Stocks are up, hardly any unemployment, taxes are down.
[/quote]
Please, read the Alan Greenspan book first.
You can buy it on Amazon.
Really, the economic society speak about crisis several years.
[quote=commissar]
You wrote:
We have very accurate system of counting and very strong punishment to the officials for errors.
My comments: I beg to differ. You are the first one to tell me that, besdies Kremlin; other people I spoke to & the media tell me the opposite.
[/quote]
This is the next myth.
Yep, the political party "Единая Россия" is the mainstream today here.
I don't like them - but this party is only a temporary mean for Kremlin.
I'm sure they will live for about 1 or maximum 2 President terms - later they will loose any Kremlin support.
[quote=commissar]
You asked:
Do you now, that Putin never has rating less then 70%?
Answer: I do, and that is one of the things that worries me. Even if all votes were counted correctly in the last presidential election he still would have won. To me, he is a dishonest & cynical person, I would not trust him a thing. What worries me is that Russians are brainwashed so much that astounding 70% of voters vote for him.
[/quote]
Heh.
If you would live in Russia i could say smthng like 'Look around'.
We have a lot of new buildings, new businesses, new jobs and so on.
Maybe we are brainwashed :-)
But facts are speaking by themselves. We live better and better each year.
It's very silly "not to notice" all changes around us...
Yes, i say thanks to Putin and his crew for this.
[quote=commissar]
I will answer the rest later as getting more work now. Meanwhile, pls read the quote below from someone else that I agree with:
Сколько людей - столько и мнений. И это хорошо. В споре рождается истина (пока спорщики не начинают проламывать головы друг дружке).
О себе. Родился и жил в СССР. Даже был членом кпсс (несознательным). По работе - инженер по пром. вакуумуным установкам.
Уехал в 2005-м, на старости лет (6 лет до пенсии). Бросил работу с зарплатой 50 тыс.р./мес, квартиру в Крылатском. Гори оно огнем.
Не еврей и не беженец ни разу. Предки до седьмого колена - православные крестьяне, сам - техническая интеллигенция во втором поколении.
Ехал по линии проф эмиграции. Да, сначала было трудно. Сейчас встал на ноги. Всем доволен, о чем вам и рапортую. Планирую получать гражданство, затем перетаскивать сюда детей.
Зачем ехал? Братцы, даже и не спрашивайте - просто оглянитесь вокруг себя: куда наша страна-то катится?! Это просто Дежа Вю какое-то, all over again. Я это уже видел и не раз и не два. И серые гебешно-номенклатурные лица на телеэкране, и фразы времен холодной войны из уст руководителей страны . Что мне, по третьему разу один и тот же телефильм смотреть? Нет уж, увольте.
Да, мне грустно, и сердце щемит оттого, что я уехал от своего народа, который за 50 лет так и не научился не ссать в лифтах и не распивать спиртное в детских песочницах.
Самое главное: насмотрелся я басен по телевизору из Кремля «еще немного, еще чуть-чуть, и мы будем жить не хуже, чем в Америке! А пока - потерпите».
Баста. Хватит. Я уехал и теперь живу не «как в Америке» а просто - «в Америке», и - сегодня! а не завтра. Чего и вам желаю.
Если в России удастся построить такое же успешное общество, как в Америке, я буду счастлив. А пока же мне хочется прожить оставшиеся годы в спокойной и сытой старости, а не рядом с жерлом вулкана, где то жар, то мороз, то пир, то мор.
[/quote]
I don't understand this man.
Yes, we have a lot of people, that live poor and ugly. This man wasn't poor really, 50000 rubles it is about 2000$ monthly clean.
To complete speech about poor people: they live everywhere, in US as I now more then 12% of them.
We have about 16%.
Remember, 8 years ago there was 2 times more poor people in Russia (about 30%).
I just see my friends, my semi-friends and people around me.
For example, our forum member Kent got a mortgage and bought an apartment last year.
My brother is going to marry and buy an apartment using mortgage this year.
Of course we have a lot of problems, but we are solving them.
Look at our economic situation - it is brilliant now!
Why people are going to migrate?
Maybe they think they will live bad later?
But i don't see any ideas why they can think so.
Most likely, they believe in some myths, built by US and Eu press.
By the way, which Russian press you read?
What are common sources of information about Russia you have?
[/quote]
Yours: Financial power is most important nowadays. We are going the same way in Russia...
Mine: does not bother me & most other Americans. If it does, we'll speak out then.
Yours: Can you vote for changing the migration policy?
Mine: You bet I do, that is why many senators were scared to vote for the last immigration proposal because their constituents were
against it. Some of the senators acknowledged that publicly.
Yours: Really, the economic society speak about crisis several years.
Mine: let them say what they want. Enough of them speak about doomsday all life long. There are others they don't think that way, and I trust those more as our daily life ain't anywhere close to a crisis.
Yours: But facts are speaking by themselves. We live better and better each year.
It's very silly "not to notice" all changes around us...
Mine: my parents are worse and worse, so are their friends and my friends in Omsk. My friends are not the last people in Omsk, they are in so-called elite, some of them live in nice apartments and have good income; yet even they are pessimistic about the country and wish their children would go overseas not to be stuck in Russia. They are not criminals yet still don't see any bright future.
Yours: Yes, i say thanks to Putin and his crew for this.
Mine: sounds like "Spasibo, tsar'-batyushka", frankly.
I went to Omsk 6 times during last 6 years; your prices are almost like ours yet your income is way, way less. People are not smiling, NOT friendly; my family was humiliated in Moscow because they thought we are like from Byelorussia and we happened to be Americans; I was treated differently (much better) when I happened to mention that I am from USA in numerous occasions. People are treated like dogs; my kids wanted to go back on the first day. I feel sorry for you guys; you do not know how bad the life in Russia is. It is surely much better than in many other places in the world; yet night and day compared to, say, United States. I was lucky to get here; I am certainly very lucky to have the job I have; yet even without this job I would not go elsewhere. I would only repeat:
Если в России удастся построить такое же успешное общество, как в Америке, я буду счастлив. А пока же мне хочется прожить оставшиеся годы в спокойной и сытой старости, а не рядом с жерлом вулкана, где то жар, то мороз, то пир, то мор.
Yours:
By the way, which Russian press you read?
What are common sources of information about Russia you have?
Mine: no paper as too expensive, obviously; Channel 1 Russia, NTV America, RTVI (very infrequently as hardly any time for TV at all); most info I get online at Izvestia.ru, Lenta.ru, Newsru.com, ej.ru, newtimes,ru, novayagazeta.ru & sometimes other web sites here & there. And, of course, friends & relatives.
[quote=commissar]
Not familiar with P & D.
[/quote]
I met this indulgent name for Republican and Democratic parties. I thought that this is common name in US speech for them.
[quote=commissar]
You asked:
I said in prev post about theater and banking society - any objections? :-)
About real power?
Answer:
Sorry for missing this earlier. Someone, I forgot who, said that the whole world is a play and all people are actors. From that point of view it may indeed be called a theater. I do not think so.
Corporate world obviously has more power in global issues, namely, in financial. It does not mean that there is no democracy, though.
[/quote]
Financial power is most important nowadays. We are going the same way in Russia...
[quote=commissar]
You wrote:
You elect somebody, but your elections influence only for a few (to be honest, not very important) things.
Answer:
those few things (not really few, not even close to be few, much more than few) may not be important to people in other countries yet are very important to Americans. We vote on every little tax change, on every proposition on city, county, state & federal levels. Presidential elections are just some, there are many more locally. President is not a czar here, he is an employee and so are the senators and congressmen and other elected representatives.
[/quote]
Can you vote for changing the migration policy?
[quote=commissar]
You asked:
What about Medicare?
Answer:
I don't have enough knowledge of the subject to give any answer.
[/quote]
Please read "The Age of Turbulence: Adventures in a New World" of Alan Greenspan.
[quote=commissar]
You asked:
What about your migrating policy?
Answer: it is a disaster! My opinion: access to any social services for illegals should be stopped, businesses that hire them should be heavily prosecuted; this will make most of illegals leave the country; and we should prosecute them when caught for being here illegally which is a crime according to the law. I thinsk that immigration should be based mostly on merit.
[/quote]
Do you have any means to change these policy as citizen?
[quote=commissar]
You asked:
What about American identity?
Answer: we are losing it, mostly due to illegal immigration & also due to millions of leftists who think they are entitled to everything and contribute almost nothing.
[/quote]
We will have the same problems if we will not change our policies in 5 years or less. We have more and more people moving here with crazy law
infringements :-(
First of all, from China...
[quote=commissar]
You asked:
What about an industrial crisis?
Answer: what crisis? We don't have any. There was one in the 30s, that's the last one I can recall. Stocks are up, hardly any unemployment, taxes are down.
[/quote]
Please, read the Alan Greenspan book first.
You can buy it on Amazon.
Really, the economic society speak about crisis several years.
[quote=commissar]
You wrote:
We have very accurate system of counting and very strong punishment to the officials for errors.
My comments: I beg to differ. You are the first one to tell me that, besdies Kremlin; other people I spoke to & the media tell me the opposite.
[/quote]
This is the next myth.
Yep, the political party "Единая Россия" is the mainstream today here.
I don't like them - but this party is only a temporary mean for Kremlin.
I'm sure they will live for about 1 or maximum 2 President terms - later they will loose any Kremlin support.
[quote=commissar]
You asked:
Do you now, that Putin never has rating less then 70%?
Answer: I do, and that is one of the things that worries me. Even if all votes were counted correctly in the last presidential election he still would have won. To me, he is a dishonest & cynical person, I would not trust him a thing. What worries me is that Russians are brainwashed so much that astounding 70% of voters vote for him.
[/quote]
Heh.
If you would live in Russia i could say smthng like 'Look around'.
We have a lot of new buildings, new businesses, new jobs and so on.
Maybe we are brainwashed :-)
But facts are speaking by themselves. We live better and better each year.
It's very silly "not to notice" all changes around us...
Yes, i say thanks to Putin and his crew for this.
[quote=commissar]
I will answer the rest later as getting more work now. Meanwhile, pls read the quote below from someone else that I agree with:
Сколько людей - столько и мнений. И это хорошо. В споре рождается истина (пока спорщики не начинают проламывать головы друг дружке).
О себе. Родился и жил в СССР. Даже был членом кпсс (несознательным). По работе - инженер по пром. вакуумуным установкам.
Уехал в 2005-м, на старости лет (6 лет до пенсии). Бросил работу с зарплатой 50 тыс.р./мес, квартиру в Крылатском. Гори оно огнем.
Не еврей и не беженец ни разу. Предки до седьмого колена - православные крестьяне, сам - техническая интеллигенция во втором поколении.
Ехал по линии проф эмиграции. Да, сначала было трудно. Сейчас встал на ноги. Всем доволен, о чем вам и рапортую. Планирую получать гражданство, затем перетаскивать сюда детей.
Зачем ехал? Братцы, даже и не спрашивайте - просто оглянитесь вокруг себя: куда наша страна-то катится?! Это просто Дежа Вю какое-то, all over again. Я это уже видел и не раз и не два. И серые гебешно-номенклатурные лица на телеэкране, и фразы времен холодной войны из уст руководителей страны . Что мне, по третьему разу один и тот же телефильм смотреть? Нет уж, увольте.
Да, мне грустно, и сердце щемит оттого, что я уехал от своего народа, который за 50 лет так и не научился не ссать в лифтах и не распивать спиртное в детских песочницах.
Самое главное: насмотрелся я басен по телевизору из Кремля «еще немного, еще чуть-чуть, и мы будем жить не хуже, чем в Америке! А пока - потерпите».
Баста. Хватит. Я уехал и теперь живу не «как в Америке» а просто - «в Америке», и - сегодня! а не завтра. Чего и вам желаю.
Если в России удастся построить такое же успешное общество, как в Америке, я буду счастлив. А пока же мне хочется прожить оставшиеся годы в спокойной и сытой старости, а не рядом с жерлом вулкана, где то жар, то мороз, то пир, то мор.
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I don't understand this man.
Yes, we have a lot of people, that live poor and ugly. This man wasn't poor really, 50000 rubles it is about 2000$ monthly clean.
To complete speech about poor people: they live everywhere, in US as I now more then 12% of them.
We have about 16%.
Remember, 8 years ago there was 2 times more poor people in Russia (about 30%).
I just see my friends, my semi-friends and people around me.
For example, our forum member Kent got a mortgage and bought an apartment last year.
My brother is going to marry and buy an apartment using mortgage this year.
Of course we have a lot of problems, but we are solving them.
Look at our economic situation - it is brilliant now!
Why people are going to migrate?
Maybe they think they will live bad later?
But i don't see any ideas why they can think so.
Most likely, they believe in some myths, built by US and Eu press.
By the way, which Russian press you read?
What are common sources of information about Russia you have?
[/quote]
Yours: Financial power is most important nowadays. We are going the same way in Russia...
Mine: does not bother me & most other Americans. If it does, we'll speak out then.
Yours: Can you vote for changing the migration policy?
Mine: You bet I do, that is why many senators were scared to vote for the last immigration proposal because their constituents were
against it. Some of the senators acknowledged that publicly.
Yours: Really, the economic society speak about crisis several years.
Mine: let them say what they want. Enough of them speak about doomsday all life long. There are others they don't think that way, and I trust those more as our daily life ain't anywhere close to a crisis.
Yours: But facts are speaking by themselves. We live better and better each year.
It's very silly "not to notice" all changes around us...
Mine: my parents are worse and worse, so are their friends and my friends in Omsk. My friends are not the last people in Omsk, they are in so-called elite, some of them live in nice apartments and have good income; yet even they are pessimistic about the country and wish their children would go overseas not to be stuck in Russia. They are not criminals yet still don't see any bright future.
Yours: Yes, i say thanks to Putin and his crew for this.
Mine: sounds like "Spasibo, tsar'-batyushka", frankly.
I went to Omsk 6 times during last 6 years; your prices are almost like ours yet your income is way, way less. People are not smiling, NOT friendly; my family was humiliated in Moscow because they thought we are like from Byelorussia and we happened to be Americans; I was treated differently (much better) when I happened to mention that I am from USA in numerous occasions. People are treated like dogs; my kids wanted to go back on the first day. I feel sorry for you guys; you do not know how bad the life in Russia is. It is surely much better than in many other places in the world; yet night and day compared to, say, United States. I was lucky to get here; I am certainly very lucky to have the job I have; yet even without this job I would not go elsewhere. I would only repeat:
Если в России удастся построить такое же успешное общество, как в Америке, я буду счастлив. А пока же мне хочется прожить оставшиеся годы в спокойной и сытой старости, а не рядом с жерлом вулкана, где то жар, то мороз, то пир, то мор.
Yours:
By the way, which Russian press you read?
What are common sources of information about Russia you have?
Mine: no paper as too expensive, obviously; Channel 1 Russia, NTV America, RTVI (very infrequently as hardly any time for TV at all); most info I get online at Izvestia.ru, Lenta.ru, Newsru.com, ej.ru, newtimes,ru, novayagazeta.ru & sometimes other web sites here & there. And, of course, friends & relatives.
RE: Америка и честность. Мнение эмигранта
Lia » 30-09-2007
[quote=ЯЯЯЯ]
нет, я прав[hr]Наташа, ты бы тоже свалила в пендостан и стала бы всем разъяснять что Россия - это варварская никчемная страна, а США - земля обетованная, населенная ангелами во плоти?
[/quote]
я и находясь в России готова разъяснять, что Россия - это варварская никчемная страна. А то что человек хвалит страну в которой живет. так молодец человек. Всем бы так - счастливее бы были.
и я не знаю такого пункта в правилах "писать только на русском языке". Комиссар на материться, не оскорбляет участников, я в состоянии отмодерировать англоязычный текст - остальное дело его понимания правильного общения и степени владения инглишом у тех кто хочет общаться.
нет, я прав[hr]Наташа, ты бы тоже свалила в пендостан и стала бы всем разъяснять что Россия - это варварская никчемная страна, а США - земля обетованная, населенная ангелами во плоти?
[/quote]
я и находясь в России готова разъяснять, что Россия - это варварская никчемная страна. А то что человек хвалит страну в которой живет. так молодец человек. Всем бы так - счастливее бы были.
и я не знаю такого пункта в правилах "писать только на русском языке". Комиссар на материться, не оскорбляет участников, я в состоянии отмодерировать англоязычный текст - остальное дело его понимания правильного общения и степени владения инглишом у тех кто хочет общаться.
RE: Америка и честность. Мнение эмигранта
rjo » 30-09-2007
[quote=Lia]
я и находясь в России готова разъяснять, что Россия - это варварская никчемная страна. А то что человек хвалит страну в которой живет. так молодец человек. Всем бы так - счастливее бы были.
[/quote]
Ну и ****. Перечитай что написала и подумай еще раз.
Ничего личного.
Надо работать, а не языком молоть.
// Слава, я внимательно читаю о чем думаю, и внимательно думаю о чем пишу:) за оскорбление участников на форуме банят. Держи себя в руках. Первое китайское:)
2comissar: I'll answer you within a day or two - too few available time.
я и находясь в России готова разъяснять, что Россия - это варварская никчемная страна. А то что человек хвалит страну в которой живет. так молодец человек. Всем бы так - счастливее бы были.
[/quote]
Ну и ****. Перечитай что написала и подумай еще раз.
Ничего личного.
Надо работать, а не языком молоть.
// Слава, я внимательно читаю о чем думаю, и внимательно думаю о чем пишу:) за оскорбление участников на форуме банят. Держи себя в руках. Первое китайское:)
2comissar: I'll answer you within a day or two - too few available time.
RE: Америка и честность. Мнение эмигранта
Kent » 30-09-2007
[quote=commissar]Sorry for missing this earlier. Someone, I forgot who, said that the whole world is a play and all people are actors. From that point of view it may indeed be called a theater. I do no[/quote]
I write some offtop but it's funny to read eng-rus-eng translation. W. Shakespeare wrote
"All the world's a stage
And all the men and women merely players..."
[quote=commissar]What about your migrating policy?
Answer: it is a disaster! My opinion: access to any social services for illegals should be stopped, businesses that hire them should be heavily prosecuted; this will make most of illegals leave the country; and we should prosecute them when caught for being here illegally which is a crime according to the law. I thinsk that immigration should be based mostly on merit.[/quote]
Если не секрет, то чем вы заслужили иммиграцию? Поговорим насчет ограничения возможностей нелегалов. Сейчас эта проблема стоит почти перед всеми развитыми странами. Какова же ее основная причина? Не в том ли, что в странах, откуда "лезут" эти [s]тарака[/s] эмигранты, живется им откровенно говоря не сладко.
Почему бы Америке не поделиться, если не землей и рабочими местами, то хотя бы инвестированием образования, науки и технического развития этих стран? Вместо того, чтобы вкладывать деньги в выкачивание рессурсов, которое число иммигрантов лишь увеличивает...
[quote=commissar]Answer: I do, and that is one of the things that worries me. Even if all votes were counted correctly in the last presidential election he still would have won. To me, he is a dishonest & cynical person, I would not trust him a thing. What worries me is that Russians are brainwashed so much that astounding 70% of voters vote for him.
[/quote]
Жесть! Не ужели, на ваш взгляд, реальный рейтинг больше, а честность и цинничность меньше у Буша?
[quote=rjo]Yep, the political party "Единая Россия" is the mainstream today here.
[/quote]
They known as "United Russia" in foreign media.
I write some offtop but it's funny to read eng-rus-eng translation. W. Shakespeare wrote
"All the world's a stage
And all the men and women merely players..."
[quote=commissar]What about your migrating policy?
Answer: it is a disaster! My opinion: access to any social services for illegals should be stopped, businesses that hire them should be heavily prosecuted; this will make most of illegals leave the country; and we should prosecute them when caught for being here illegally which is a crime according to the law. I thinsk that immigration should be based mostly on merit.[/quote]
Если не секрет, то чем вы заслужили иммиграцию? Поговорим насчет ограничения возможностей нелегалов. Сейчас эта проблема стоит почти перед всеми развитыми странами. Какова же ее основная причина? Не в том ли, что в странах, откуда "лезут" эти [s]тарака[/s] эмигранты, живется им откровенно говоря не сладко.
Почему бы Америке не поделиться, если не землей и рабочими местами, то хотя бы инвестированием образования, науки и технического развития этих стран? Вместо того, чтобы вкладывать деньги в выкачивание рессурсов, которое число иммигрантов лишь увеличивает...
[quote=commissar]Answer: I do, and that is one of the things that worries me. Even if all votes were counted correctly in the last presidential election he still would have won. To me, he is a dishonest & cynical person, I would not trust him a thing. What worries me is that Russians are brainwashed so much that astounding 70% of voters vote for him.
[/quote]
Жесть! Не ужели, на ваш взгляд, реальный рейтинг больше, а честность и цинничность меньше у Буша?
[quote=rjo]Yep, the political party "Единая Россия" is the mainstream today here.
[/quote]
They known as "United Russia" in foreign media.
RE: Америка и честность. Мнение эмигранта
rjo » 30-09-2007
[quote=commissar]
Yours: Financial power is most important nowadays. We are going the same way in Russia...
Mine: does not bother me & most other Americans. If it does, we'll speak out then.
[/quote]
Yep, my speech is about this.
The real power is not in the President's hands or even any officials. And most Americans doesn't bother about that.
It is very ugly really...
[quote=commissar]
Yours: Can you vote for changing the migration policy?
Mine: You bet I do, that is why many senators were scared to vote for the last immigration proposal because their constituents were
against it. Some of the senators acknowledged that publicly.
[/quote]
Ok. How many laws the senators can vote for within a year?
How many of them do you know?
Are there any public debates for all of them?
I think, you have a little (as we have, too).
The most active part of senators vote for 'needed' things for the financial world.
Some laws have voting for them when many senators are at holidays.
I mean that you haven't full control under the law acceptance.
Later you can read about the new ones and speak - but this process begins much later than the acceptance.
For example, i remember one of last Bush initiative: spying for American people without any court.
It was accepted without ANY debates and VERY fast.
And you still say there is no democracy in Russia? )))
[quote=commissar]
Yours: Really, the economic society speak about crisis several years.
Mine: let them say what they want. Enough of them speak about doomsday all life long. There are others they don't think that way, and I trust those more as our daily life ain't anywhere close to a crisis.
[/quote]
Do you believe Alan Greenspan?
He was chairman of the Fed for 19 years!
I think it is full enough to believe him about crisis and see reasons for it.
[quote=commissar]
Yours: But facts are speaking by themselves. We live better and better each year.
It's very silly "not to notice" all changes around us...
Mine: my parents are worse and worse, so are their friends and my friends in Omsk. My friends are not the last people in Omsk, they are in so-called elite, some of them live in nice apartments and have good income; yet even they are pessimistic about the country and wish their children would go overseas not to be stuck in Russia. They are not criminals yet still don't see any bright future.
[/quote]
Can you say more about your parents?
Which points of life are going worse for them?
My closest community in Omsk is business community.
Practically all my friends are very optimistic about future.
I live in Omsk all my life and i know here hundreds people.
Please, be more particularly when you describe the situation in Russia and especially in Omsk - i would like to speak about it a bit more detailed.
[quote=commissar]
Yours: Yes, i say thanks to Putin and his crew for this.
Mine: sounds like "Spasibo, tsar'-batyushka", frankly.
I went to Omsk 6 times during last 6 years; your prices are almost like ours yet your income is way, way less. People are not smiling, NOT friendly; my family was humiliated in Moscow because they thought we are like from Byelorussia and we happened to be Americans; I was treated differently (much better) when I happened to mention that I am from USA in numerous occasions. People are treated like dogs; my kids wanted to go back on the first day. I feel sorry for you guys; you do not know how bad the life in Russia is. It is surely much better than in many other places in the world; yet night and day compared to, say, United States. I was lucky to get here; I am certainly very lucky to have the job I have; yet even without this job I would not go elsewhere. I would only repeat:
Если в России удастся построить такое же успешное общество, как в Америке, я буду счастлив. А пока же мне хочется прожить оставшиеся годы в спокойной и сытой старости, а не рядом с жерлом вулкана, где то жар, то мороз, то пир, то мор.
[/quote]
Moscow is a special case in Russia. We don't like them much.
I don't know what is your closest Omsk community and why they don't smile :-)
[quote=commissar]
Yours:
By the way, which Russian press you read?
What are common sources of information about Russia you have?
Mine: no paper as too expensive, obviously; Channel 1 Russia, NTV America, RTVI (very infrequently as hardly any time for TV at all); most info I get online at Izvestia.ru, Lenta.ru, Newsru.com, ej.ru, newtimes,ru, novayagazeta.ru & sometimes other web sites here & there. And, of course, friends & relatives.
[/quote]
And what American press do you read about Russia?
I read inosmi.ru every day, they translate a lot of foreign press on Russian.
I notice that vast majority of US & Eu press are extremely prejudiced with all questions about Russia.
Arab, China, Japan, most Asia, South America and Africa press are lot more friendly to us.
Okay, and few more questions:
1) What can you say about Khodorkovsky?
2) What can you say about companies such as BP, Shell, losing unfair contracts with our country?
3) What can you say about Litvinenko and Politkovskaya?
4) Chechnya?
5) Berezovskiy?
6) Orange Ukrainian revolution ?
7) Rose Georgian revolution?
I'm interested to hear your vision of reasons for these themes.[hr]Раз:
[quote=Lia]
я и находясь в России готова разъяснять, что Россия - это варварская никчемная страна.
[/quote]
Два:
[quote=Lia]
А то что человек хвалит страну в которой живет. так молодец человек. Всем бы так - счастливее бы были.
[/quote]
Из 1 и 2 следует, что ты далеко не молодец и сама себе противоречишь.
Yours: Financial power is most important nowadays. We are going the same way in Russia...
Mine: does not bother me & most other Americans. If it does, we'll speak out then.
[/quote]
Yep, my speech is about this.
The real power is not in the President's hands or even any officials. And most Americans doesn't bother about that.
It is very ugly really...
[quote=commissar]
Yours: Can you vote for changing the migration policy?
Mine: You bet I do, that is why many senators were scared to vote for the last immigration proposal because their constituents were
against it. Some of the senators acknowledged that publicly.
[/quote]
Ok. How many laws the senators can vote for within a year?
How many of them do you know?
Are there any public debates for all of them?
I think, you have a little (as we have, too).
The most active part of senators vote for 'needed' things for the financial world.
Some laws have voting for them when many senators are at holidays.
I mean that you haven't full control under the law acceptance.
Later you can read about the new ones and speak - but this process begins much later than the acceptance.
For example, i remember one of last Bush initiative: spying for American people without any court.
It was accepted without ANY debates and VERY fast.
And you still say there is no democracy in Russia? )))
[quote=commissar]
Yours: Really, the economic society speak about crisis several years.
Mine: let them say what they want. Enough of them speak about doomsday all life long. There are others they don't think that way, and I trust those more as our daily life ain't anywhere close to a crisis.
[/quote]
Do you believe Alan Greenspan?
He was chairman of the Fed for 19 years!
I think it is full enough to believe him about crisis and see reasons for it.
[quote=commissar]
Yours: But facts are speaking by themselves. We live better and better each year.
It's very silly "not to notice" all changes around us...
Mine: my parents are worse and worse, so are their friends and my friends in Omsk. My friends are not the last people in Omsk, they are in so-called elite, some of them live in nice apartments and have good income; yet even they are pessimistic about the country and wish their children would go overseas not to be stuck in Russia. They are not criminals yet still don't see any bright future.
[/quote]
Can you say more about your parents?
Which points of life are going worse for them?
My closest community in Omsk is business community.
Practically all my friends are very optimistic about future.
I live in Omsk all my life and i know here hundreds people.
Please, be more particularly when you describe the situation in Russia and especially in Omsk - i would like to speak about it a bit more detailed.
[quote=commissar]
Yours: Yes, i say thanks to Putin and his crew for this.
Mine: sounds like "Spasibo, tsar'-batyushka", frankly.
I went to Omsk 6 times during last 6 years; your prices are almost like ours yet your income is way, way less. People are not smiling, NOT friendly; my family was humiliated in Moscow because they thought we are like from Byelorussia and we happened to be Americans; I was treated differently (much better) when I happened to mention that I am from USA in numerous occasions. People are treated like dogs; my kids wanted to go back on the first day. I feel sorry for you guys; you do not know how bad the life in Russia is. It is surely much better than in many other places in the world; yet night and day compared to, say, United States. I was lucky to get here; I am certainly very lucky to have the job I have; yet even without this job I would not go elsewhere. I would only repeat:
Если в России удастся построить такое же успешное общество, как в Америке, я буду счастлив. А пока же мне хочется прожить оставшиеся годы в спокойной и сытой старости, а не рядом с жерлом вулкана, где то жар, то мороз, то пир, то мор.
[/quote]
Moscow is a special case in Russia. We don't like them much.
I don't know what is your closest Omsk community and why they don't smile :-)
[quote=commissar]
Yours:
By the way, which Russian press you read?
What are common sources of information about Russia you have?
Mine: no paper as too expensive, obviously; Channel 1 Russia, NTV America, RTVI (very infrequently as hardly any time for TV at all); most info I get online at Izvestia.ru, Lenta.ru, Newsru.com, ej.ru, newtimes,ru, novayagazeta.ru & sometimes other web sites here & there. And, of course, friends & relatives.
[/quote]
And what American press do you read about Russia?
I read inosmi.ru every day, they translate a lot of foreign press on Russian.
I notice that vast majority of US & Eu press are extremely prejudiced with all questions about Russia.
Arab, China, Japan, most Asia, South America and Africa press are lot more friendly to us.
Okay, and few more questions:
1) What can you say about Khodorkovsky?
2) What can you say about companies such as BP, Shell, losing unfair contracts with our country?
3) What can you say about Litvinenko and Politkovskaya?
4) Chechnya?
5) Berezovskiy?
6) Orange Ukrainian revolution ?
7) Rose Georgian revolution?
I'm interested to hear your vision of reasons for these themes.[hr]Раз:
[quote=Lia]
я и находясь в России готова разъяснять, что Россия - это варварская никчемная страна.
[/quote]
Два:
[quote=Lia]
А то что человек хвалит страну в которой живет. так молодец человек. Всем бы так - счастливее бы были.
[/quote]
Из 1 и 2 следует, что ты далеко не молодец и сама себе противоречишь.
RE: Америка и честность. Мнение эмигранта
Lia » 30-09-2007
[quote=rjo]
Из 1 и 2 следует, что ты далеко не молодец и сама себе противоречишь.
[/quote]
чего вдруг? я где сказала, что я молодец? я не считаю. что я молодец если до сих пор живу в стране которая мне скажем так...совсем не симпатична. И рада за человека, который живет в стране, которая ему нравится. Я что обязана считать себя идеалом что ли?
Из 1 и 2 следует, что ты далеко не молодец и сама себе противоречишь.
[/quote]
чего вдруг? я где сказала, что я молодец? я не считаю. что я молодец если до сих пор живу в стране которая мне скажем так...совсем не симпатична. И рада за человека, который живет в стране, которая ему нравится. Я что обязана считать себя идеалом что ли?
RE: Америка и честность. Мнение эмигранта
rjo » 01-10-2007
[quote=Lia]
[quote=rjo]
Из 1 и 2 следует, что ты далеко не молодец и сама себе противоречишь.
[/quote]
чего вдруг? я где сказала, что я молодец? я не считаю. что я молодец если до сих пор живу в стране которая мне скажем так...совсем не симпатична. И рада за человека, который живет в стране, которая ему нравится. Я что обязана считать себя идеалом что ли?
[/quote]
дело ведь в тебе, а не в стране.
[quote=rjo]
Из 1 и 2 следует, что ты далеко не молодец и сама себе противоречишь.
[/quote]
чего вдруг? я где сказала, что я молодец? я не считаю. что я молодец если до сих пор живу в стране которая мне скажем так...совсем не симпатична. И рада за человека, который живет в стране, которая ему нравится. Я что обязана считать себя идеалом что ли?
[/quote]
дело ведь в тебе, а не в стране.
RE: Америка и честность. Мнение эмигранта
commissar » 01-10-2007
[quote=rjo]
[quote=commissar]
Yours: Financial power is most important nowadays. We are going the same way in Russia...
Mine: does not bother me & most other Americans. If it does, we'll speak out then.
[/quote]
Yep, my speech is about this.
The real power is not in the President's hands or even any officials. And most Americans doesn't bother about that.
It is very ugly really...
[quote=commissar]
Yours: Can you vote for changing the migration policy?
Mine: You bet I do, that is why many senators were scared to vote for the last immigration proposal because their constituents were
against it. Some of the senators acknowledged that publicly.
[/quote]
Ok. How many laws the senators can vote for within a year?
How many of them do you know?
Are there any public debates for all of them?
I think, you have a little (as we have, too).
The most active part of senators vote for 'needed' things for the financial world.
Some laws have voting for them when many senators are at holidays.
I mean that you haven't full control under the law acceptance.
Later you can read about the new ones and speak - but this process begins much later than the acceptance.
For example, i remember one of last Bush initiative: spying for American people without any court.
It was accepted without ANY debates and VERY fast.
And you still say there is no democracy in Russia? )))
[quote=commissar]
Yours: Really, the economic society speak about crisis several years.
Mine: let them say what they want. Enough of them speak about doomsday all life long. There are others they don't think that way, and I trust those more as our daily life ain't anywhere close to a crisis.
[/quote]
Do you believe Alan Greenspan?
He was chairman of the Fed for 19 years!
I think it is full enough to believe him about crisis and see reasons for it.
[quote=commissar]
Yours: But facts are speaking by themselves. We live better and better each year.
It's very silly "not to notice" all changes around us...
Mine: my parents are worse and worse, so are their friends and my friends in Omsk. My friends are not the last people in Omsk, they are in so-called elite, some of them live in nice apartments and have good income; yet even they are pessimistic about the country and wish their children would go overseas not to be stuck in Russia. They are not criminals yet still don't see any bright future.
[/quote]
Can you say more about your parents?
Which points of life are going worse for them?
My closest community in Omsk is business community.
Practically all my friends are very optimistic about future.
I live in Omsk all my life and i know here hundreds people.
Please, be more particularly when you describe the situation in Russia and especially in Omsk - i would like to speak about it a bit more detailed.
[quote=commissar]
Yours: Yes, i say thanks to Putin and his crew for this.
Mine: sounds like "Spasibo, tsar'-batyushka", frankly.
I went to Omsk 6 times during last 6 years; your prices are almost like ours yet your income is way, way less. People are not smiling, NOT friendly; my family was humiliated in Moscow because they thought we are like from Byelorussia and we happened to be Americans; I was treated differently (much better) when I happened to mention that I am from USA in numerous occasions. People are treated like dogs; my kids wanted to go back on the first day. I feel sorry for you guys; you do not know how bad the life in Russia is. It is surely much better than in many other places in the world; yet night and day compared to, say, United States. I was lucky to get here; I am certainly very lucky to have the job I have; yet even without this job I would not go elsewhere. I would only repeat:
Если в России удастся построить такое же успешное общество, как в Америке, я буду счастлив. А пока же мне хочется прожить оставшиеся годы в спокойной и сытой старости, а не рядом с жерлом вулкана, где то жар, то мороз, то пир, то мор.
[/quote]
Moscow is a special case in Russia. We don't like them much.
I don't know what is your closest Omsk community and why they don't smile :-)
[quote=commissar]
Yours:
By the way, which Russian press you read?
What are common sources of information about Russia you have?
Mine: no paper as too expensive, obviously; Channel 1 Russia, NTV America, RTVI (very infrequently as hardly any time for TV at all); most info I get online at Izvestia.ru, Lenta.ru, Newsru.com, ej.ru, newtimes,ru, novayagazeta.ru & sometimes other web sites here & there. And, of course, friends & relatives.
[/quote]
And what American press do you read about Russia?
I read inosmi.ru every day, they translate a lot of foreign press on Russian.
I notice that vast majority of US & Eu press are extremely prejudiced with all questions about Russia.
Arab, China, Japan, most Asia, South America and Africa press are lot more friendly to us.
Okay, and few more questions:
1) What can you say about Khodorkovsky?
2) What can you say about companies such as BP, Shell, losing unfair contracts with our country?
3) What can you say about Litvinenko and Politkovskaya?
4) Chechnya?
5) Berezovskiy?
6) Orange Ukrainian revolution ?
7) Rose Georgian revolution?
I'm interested to hear your vision of reasons for these themes.[hr]
Вопрос: The real power is not in the President's hands or even any officials. And most Americans doesn't bother about that.
It is very ugly really...
Ответ: вот какая бы отвратительная система в США ни была, подавляющее большинство она устраивает. А у недовольных всегда есть выбор места жительства, если уж они так ненавидят страну, в которой живут. Кстати, большинство недовольных мало какой вклад внесли, однако считают, что им правительство всё должно (за счёт налогоплательщиков, т.е. нас). Что касается критики из других стран - сделайте у себя лучше.
Вопрос: How many laws the senators can vote for within a year?
How many of them do you know?
Are there any public debates for all of them?
I think, you have a little (as we have, too).
Ответ: сколько хотят, но, собственно, какая разница в количестве?
Я лично ни с одним не знаком, но имена многих знаю.
Во время предвыборной кампании дебатам и встречам несть числа.
Цитата: I mean that you haven't full control under the law acceptance.
Later you can read about the new ones and speak - but this process begins much later than the acceptance.
Комментарий: Да, я в Капитолий не езжу и голосовать за принятие федеральных законов не могу. На то и есть представительная демократия. Моим представителям в федеральном правительстве я всегда могу позвонить и написать. И перед принятием законов мы так и делаем, если считаем нужным. ПЕРЕД, а не после, как вы написали.
Цитата: For example, i remember one of last Bush initiative: spying for American people without any court.
Комментарий: инициативы о шпионстве за американцами не было. Было предложение о расширении полномочий закона FISA, принятого в 1978 году, о прослушивании телефонных разговоров лиц, подозреваемых в связях с зарубежными террористами и звонящих этим людям.
Цитата: It was accepted without ANY debates and VERY fast.
Комментарий: ложь. Обсуждение длилось несколько недель, как при любом предложении.
Вопрос: And you still say there is no democracy in Russia?
Ответ: в России имеются её чахлые зачатки. Но какое отношение имеет прохождение законов в США к России и её демократии?
Вопрос: Do you believe Alan Greenspan?
He was chairman of the Fed for 19 years!
I think it is full enough to believe him about crisis and see reasons for it.
Ответ: я не специалист уровня Гринспена. Я могу сказать о том, с чем сталкиваюсь в повседневной жизни. Кризиса нет. Кстати, Гриспен на днях сказал: I think the probabilities have risen, but I'm scarcely at a point where I'm forecasting that we're about to experience significant recessions either in the U.S. or Britain.
Вопрос: Can you say more about your parents?
Which points of life are going worse for them?
Ответ: оба - инженеры, работали на закрытом предприятии; в советское время могли в отпуск съездить, меня материально поддержать в начале учёбы в другом городе, имели кое-какие сбережения. Сейчас отец работает начальником отдела в системе здравоохранения, получает гроши, мама на пенсии; доход около 8 тыс. рублей в месяц; отец пенсионного возраста, но работает, потому что если уйдёт на пенсию, то на 4,5 тыс им будет очень трудно. Живут в 9-этажном неплохом по советским меркам доме, мимо которого большиство из вас несколько раз проезжало, которыц постепенно превращается в сарай благодаря жильцам и наплевательскому отношению местных властей. Рост цен превышает рост их дохода. От того, что общий доход по стране растёт, им ни холодно, ни жарко. Они со страхом смотрят в будущее, потому что в Америке им пенсия, кроме русской (гроши) не светит, ибо не работали, на моей шее сидеть не хотят, эмигрировать пока не собираются, а расходы ожидаются больше и больше, особенно на медицину. Конечно, я им помогу, когда припрёт. Вот, наконец-то иммиграционную визу получили, потому что гостевой им не давали, так теперь смогут ко мне ездить.
Вопросы и ответы:
1) What can you say about Khodorkovsky?
Не ангел во плоти, но правосудие к нему очень уж избирательное и не кажется справедливым.
2) What can you say about companies such as BP, Shell, losing unfair contracts with our country?
Ничего не могу сказать, т.к. знаю тоько понаслышке.
3) What can you say about Litvinenko and Politkovskaya?
Ни с кем из них лично не знаком; Литвиненко казался скользким типом; Политковскую уважаю за её смелость и за то, что осталась в России, будучи гражданкой США; не был согласен с некоторыми её выводами, особенно с её благосклонным отношением к чеченским бандитам; если имеете в виду процессы по их делам, то тут явно замешаны российские власти, скорее всего опосредованно, но уж очень они мешали...
4) Chechnya?
Бандюки они ещё те, в том числе и ныне стоящие у власти; равно как и те в России, кому выгодно продолжение этой войны. А выгодна война многим. Конечно, и русские военные там постарались, они мне рассказывали о своих "подвигах". В результате там почти не осталось живших поколенями русских, и почти все чеченцы ненавидят русских (оин и раньше-то не очень жаловали).
5) Berezovskiy?
Я бы с ним дело не имел.
6) Orange Ukrainian revolution ?
А хто их знает... России не надо было туда лезть, вот и всё. Пусть бы сами между собой разбирались.
7) Rose Georgian revolution? См. выше про Украину. Саакашвили какой-то дурной временами бывает, а России только того и надо... Тут срочно вспомнили, что минералка и вины плохие, и что чего-то авиаминистерство или кто-то там задолжал... Вот именно в то же самое время. Не раньше и не позже. России бы не реагировать на их не всегда адекватные действия, а она как психованный сосед...[hr][quote=Kent]
[quote=commissar]Sorry for missing this earlier. Someone, I forgot who, said that the whole world is a play and all people are actors. From that point of view it may indeed be called a theater. I do no[/quote]
I write some offtop but it's funny to read eng-rus-eng translation. W. Shakespeare wrote
"All the world's a stage
And all the men and women merely players..."
Ответ: спасибо за источник. Теперь знаю, что перевод на русский был не совсем верным. Учту. Я бы перевёл: Весь мир - это сцена, а люди - игроки. Stage - это не театр. По крайней мере, не в американском английском.
[quote=commissar]What about your migrating policy?
Answer: it is a disaster! My opinion: access to any social services for illegals should be stopped, businesses that hire them should be heavily prosecuted; this will make most of illegals leave the country; and we should prosecute them when caught for being here illegally which is a crime according to the law. I thinsk that immigration should be based mostly on merit.[/quote]
Если не секрет, то чем вы заслужили иммиграцию? Поговорим насчет ограничения возможностей нелегалов. Сейчас эта проблема стоит почти перед всеми развитыми странами. Какова же ее основная причина? Не в том ли, что в странах, откуда "лезут" эти [s]тарака[/s] эмигранты, живется им откровенно говоря не сладко.
Почему бы Америке не поделиться, если не землей и рабочими местами, то хотя бы инвестированием образования, науки и технического развития этих стран? Вместо того, чтобы вкладывать деньги в выкачивание рессурсов, которое число иммигрантов лишь увеличивает...
Ответ: я приехал в гости и подал на убежище по совету американцев. В то время заявление рассматривалось годами, тем временем мог легально жить и работать в США. А в 99-м выиграл зелёную карту. Мне, конечно, очень повезло.
Мне кажется, правительствам тех стран, откуда едут нелегалы, особенно Мексики, не мешало бы позаботиться о своих гражданах, вместо того, чтобы обвинять США во всех своих проблемах. Они-то с иностранцами не очень церемонятся. Насчёт инвестирования образования, науки и технического развития этих стран: мы это делаем, хотя это прежде всего их ответственность, мы тратим миллиарды на них, хотя не обязаны. Кстати, какая ещё страна так делает?
[quote=commissar]Answer: I do, and that is one of the things that worries me. Even if all votes were counted correctly in the last presidential election he still would have won. To me, he is a dishonest & cynical person, I would not trust him a thing. What worries me is that Russians are brainwashed so much that astounding 70% of voters vote for him.
[/quote]
Жесть! Не ужели, на ваш взгляд, реальный рейтинг больше, а честность и цинничность меньше у Буша?
Путинский рейтинг реален, вот именно это меня и беспокоит, что так промыли мозги. Отдалённо напоминает времена Сталина. Народу нравится его хамство и его мстительность; воистину, добрый царь среди злых бояр. А он не царь, а всего лишь наёмный менеджер. Кстати, в США и во многих других странах портреты президентов не висят в официальных кабинетах, и бюстов не льют... Это явление присуще России, северным корейцам, некоторам арабам... А будет другой президент, Путина выкинут и повесят следующего...
[hr][quote=commissar]
[quote=rjo]
[quote=commissar]
Yours: Financial power is most important nowadays. We are going the same way in Russia...
Mine: does not bother me & most other Americans. If it does, we'll speak out then.
[/quote]
Yep, my speech is about this.
The real power is not in the President's hands or even any officials. And most Americans doesn't bother about that.
It is very ugly really...
[quote=commissar]
Yours: Can you vote for changing the migration policy?
Mine: You bet I do, that is why many senators were scared to vote for the last immigration proposal because their constituents were
against it. Some of the senators acknowledged that publicly.
[/quote]
Ok. How many laws the senators can vote for within a year?
How many of them do you know?
Are there any public debates for all of them?
I think, you have a little (as we have, too).
The most active part of senators vote for 'needed' things for the financial world.
Some laws have voting for them when many senators are at holidays.
I mean that you haven't full control under the law acceptance.
Later you can read about the new ones and speak - but this process begins much later than the acceptance.
For example, i remember one of last Bush initiative: spying for American people without any court.
It was accepted without ANY debates and VERY fast.
And you still say there is no democracy in Russia? )))
[quote=commissar]
Yours: Really, the economic society speak about crisis several years.
Mine: let them say what they want. Enough of them speak about doomsday all life long. There are others they don't think that way, and I trust those more as our daily life ain't anywhere close to a crisis.
[/quote]
Do you believe Alan Greenspan?
He was chairman of the Fed for 19 years!
I think it is full enough to believe him about crisis and see reasons for it.
[quote=commissar]
Yours: But facts are speaking by themselves. We live better and better each year.
It's very silly "not to notice" all changes around us...
Mine: my parents are worse and worse, so are their friends and my friends in Omsk. My friends are not the last people in Omsk, they are in so-called elite, some of them live in nice apartments and have good income; yet even they are pessimistic about the country and wish their children would go overseas not to be stuck in Russia. They are not criminals yet still don't see any bright future.
[/quote]
Can you say more about your parents?
Which points of life are going worse for them?
My closest community in Omsk is business community.
Practically all my friends are very optimistic about future.
I live in Omsk all my life and i know here hundreds people.
Please, be more particularly when you describe the situation in Russia and especially in Omsk - i would like to speak about it a bit more detailed.
[quote=commissar]
Yours: Yes, i say thanks to Putin and his crew for this.
Mine: sounds like "Spasibo, tsar'-batyushka", frankly.
I went to Omsk 6 times during last 6 years; your prices are almost like ours yet your income is way, way less. People are not smiling, NOT friendly; my family was humiliated in Moscow because they thought we are like from Byelorussia and we happened to be Americans; I was treated differently (much better) when I happened to mention that I am from USA in numerous occasions. People are treated like dogs; my kids wanted to go back on the first day. I feel sorry for you guys; you do not know how bad the life in Russia is. It is surely much better than in many other places in the world; yet night and day compared to, say, United States. I was lucky to get here; I am certainly very lucky to have the job I have; yet even without this job I would not go elsewhere. I would only repeat:
Если в России удастся построить такое же успешное общество, как в Америке, я буду счастлив. А пока же мне хочется прожить оставшиеся годы в спокойной и сытой старости, а не рядом с жерлом вулкана, где то жар, то мороз, то пир, то мор.
[/quote]
Moscow is a special case in Russia. We don't like them much.
I don't know what is your closest Omsk community and why they don't smile :-)
[quote=commissar]
Yours:
By the way, which Russian press you read?
What are common sources of information about Russia you have?
Mine: no paper as too expensive, obviously; Channel 1 Russia, NTV America, RTVI (very infrequently as hardly any time for TV at all); most info I get online at Izvestia.ru, Lenta.ru, Newsru.com, ej.ru, newtimes,ru, novayagazeta.ru & sometimes other web sites here & there. And, of course, friends & relatives.
[/quote]
And what American press do you read about Russia?
I read inosmi.ru every day, they translate a lot of foreign press on Russian.
I notice that vast majority of US & Eu press are extremely prejudiced with all questions about Russia.
Arab, China, Japan, most Asia, South America and Africa press are lot more friendly to us.
Okay, and few more questions:
1) What can you say about Khodorkovsky?
2) What can you say about companies such as BP, Shell, losing unfair contracts with our country?
3) What can you say about Litvinenko and Politkovskaya?
4) Chechnya?
5) Berezovskiy?
6) Orange Ukrainian revolution ?
7) Rose Georgian revolution?
I'm interested to hear your vision of reasons for these themes.[hr]
Вопрос: The real power is not in the President's hands or even any officials. And most Americans doesn't bother about that.
It is very ugly really...
Ответ: вот какая бы отвратительная система в США ни была, подавляющее большинство она устраивает. А у недовольных всегда есть выбор места жительства, если уж они так ненавидят страну, в которой живут. Кстати, большинство недовольных мало какой вклад внесли, однако считают, что им правительство всё должно (за счёт налогоплательщиков, т.е. нас). Что касается критики из других стран - сделайте у себя лучше.
Вопрос: How many laws the senators can vote for within a year?
How many of them do you know?
Are there any public debates for all of them?
I think, you have a little (as we have, too).
Ответ: сколько хотят, но, собственно, какая разница в количестве?
Я лично ни с одним не знаком, но имена многих знаю.
Во время предвыборной кампании дебатам и встречам несть числа.
Цитата: I mean that you haven't full control under the law acceptance.
Later you can read about the new ones and speak - but this process begins much later than the acceptance.
Комментарий: Да, я в Капитолий не езжу и голосовать за принятие федеральных законов не могу. На то и есть представительная демократия. Моим представителям в федеральном правительстве я всегда могу позвонить и написать. И перед принятием законов мы так и делаем, если считаем нужным. ПЕРЕД, а не после, как вы написали.
Цитата: For example, i remember one of last Bush initiative: spying for American people without any court.
Комментарий: инициативы о шпионстве за американцами не было. Было предложение о расширении полномочий закона FISA, принятого в 1978 году, о прослушивании телефонных разговоров лиц, подозреваемых в связях с зарубежными террористами и звонящих этим людям.
Цитата: It was accepted without ANY debates and VERY fast.
Комментарий: ложь. Обсуждение длилось несколько недель, как при любом предложении.
Вопрос: And you still say there is no democracy in Russia?
Ответ: в России имеются её чахлые зачатки. Но какое отношение имеет прохождение законов в США к России и её демократии?
Вопрос: Do you believe Alan Greenspan?
He was chairman of the Fed for 19 years!
I think it is full enough to believe him about crisis and see reasons for it.
Ответ: я не специалист уровня Гринспена. Я могу сказать о том, с чем сталкиваюсь в повседневной жизни. Кризиса нет. Кстати, Гриспен на днях сказал: I think the probabilities have risen, but I'm scarcely at a point where I'm forecasting that we're about to experience significant recessions either in the U.S. or Britain.
Вопрос: Can you say more about your parents?
Which points of life are going worse for them?
Ответ: оба - инженеры, работали на закрытом предприятии; в советское время могли в отпуск съездить, меня материально поддержать в начале учёбы в другом городе, имели кое-какие сбережения. Сейчас отец работает начальником отдела в системе здравоохранения, получает гроши, мама на пенсии; доход около 8 тыс. рублей в месяц; отец пенсионного возраста, но работает, потому что если уйдёт на пенсию, то на 4,5 тыс им будет очень трудно. Живут в 9-этажном неплохом по советским меркам доме, мимо которого большиство из вас несколько раз проезжало, которыц постепенно превращается в сарай благодаря жильцам и наплевательскому отношению местных властей. Рост цен превышает рост их дохода. От того, что общий доход по стране растёт, им ни холодно, ни жарко. Они со страхом смотрят в будущее, потому что в Америке им пенсия, кроме русской (гроши) не светит, ибо не работали, на моей шее сидеть не хотят, эмигрировать пока не собираются, а расходы ожидаются больше и больше, особенно на медицину. Конечно, я им помогу, когда припрёт. Вот, наконец-то иммиграционную визу получили, потому что гостевой им не давали, так теперь смогут ко мне ездить.
Вопросы и ответы:
1) What can you say about Khodorkovsky?
Не ангел во плоти, но правосудие к нему очень уж избирательное и не кажется справедливым.
2) What can you say about companies such as BP, Shell, losing unfair contracts with our country?
Ничего не могу сказать, т.к. знаю тоько понаслышке.
3) What can you say about Litvinenko and Politkovskaya?
Ни с кем из них лично не знаком; Литвиненко казался скользким типом; Политковскую уважаю за её смелость и за то, что осталась в России, будучи гражданкой США; не был согласен с некоторыми её выводами, особенно с её благосклонным отношением к чеченским бандитам; если имеете в виду процессы по их делам, то тут явно замешаны российские власти, скорее всего опосредованно, но уж очень они мешали...
4) Chechnya?
Бандюки они ещё те, в том числе и ныне стоящие у власти; равно как и те в России, кому выгодно продолжение этой войны. А выгодна война многим. Конечно, и русские военные там постарались, они мне рассказывали о своих "подвигах". В результате там почти не осталось живших поколенями русских, и почти все чеченцы ненавидят русских (оин и раньше-то не очень жаловали).
5) Berezovskiy?
Я бы с ним дело не имел.
6) Orange Ukrainian revolution ?
А хто их знает... России не надо было туда лезть, вот и всё. Пусть бы сами между собой разбирались.
7) Rose Georgian revolution? См. выше про Украину. Саакашвили какой-то дурной временами бывает, а России только того и надо... Тут срочно вспомнили, что минералка и вины плохие, и что чего-то авиаминистерство или кто-то там задолжал... Вот именно в то же самое время. Не раньше и не позже. России бы не реагировать на их не всегда адекватные действия, а она как психованный сосед...[hr][quote=Kent]
[quote=commissar]Sorry for missing this earlier. Someone, I forgot who, said that the whole world is a play and all people are actors. From that point of view it may indeed be called a theater. I do no[/quote]
I write some offtop but it's funny to read eng-rus-eng translation. W. Shakespeare wrote
"All the world's a stage
And all the men and women merely players..."
Ответ: спасибо за источник. Теперь знаю, что перевод на русский был не совсем верным. Учту. Я бы перевёл: Весь мир - это сцена, а люди - игроки. Stage - это не театр. По крайней мере, не в американском английском.
[quote=commissar]What about your migrating policy?
Answer: it is a disaster! My opinion: access to any social services for illegals should be stopped, businesses that hire them should be heavily prosecuted; this will make most of illegals leave the country; and we should prosecute them when caught for being here illegally which is a crime according to the law. I thinsk that immigration should be based mostly on merit.[/quote]
Если не секрет, то чем вы заслужили иммиграцию? Поговорим насчет ограничения возможностей нелегалов. Сейчас эта проблема стоит почти перед всеми развитыми странами. Какова же ее основная причина? Не в том ли, что в странах, откуда "лезут" эти [s]тарака[/s] эмигранты, живется им откровенно говоря не сладко.
Почему бы Америке не поделиться, если не землей и рабочими местами, то хотя бы инвестированием образования, науки и технического развития этих стран? Вместо того, чтобы вкладывать деньги в выкачивание рессурсов, которое число иммигрантов лишь увеличивает...
Ответ: я приехал в гости и подал на убежище по совету американцев. В то время заявление рассматривалось годами, тем временем мог легально жить и работать в США. А в 99-м выиграл зелёную карту. Мне, конечно, очень повезло.
Мне кажется, правительствам тех стран, откуда едут нелегалы, особенно Мексики, не мешало бы позаботиться о своих гражданах, вместо того, чтобы обвинять США во всех своих проблемах. Они-то с иностранцами не очень церемонятся. Насчёт инвестирования образования, науки и технического развития этих стран: мы это делаем, хотя это прежде всего их ответственность, мы тратим миллиарды на них, хотя не обязаны. Кстати, какая ещё страна так делает?
[quote=commissar]Answer: I do, and that is one of the things that worries me. Even if all votes were counted correctly in the last presidential election he still would have won. To me, he is a dishonest & cynical person, I would not trust him a thing. What worries me is that Russians are brainwashed so much that astounding 70% of voters vote for him.
[/quote]
Жесть! Не ужели, на ваш взгляд, реальный рейтинг больше, а честность и цинничность меньше у Буша?
Ответ: Путинский рейтинг реален, вот именно это меня и беспокоит, что так промыли мозги. Отдалённо напоминает времена Сталина. Народу нравится его хамство и его мстительность; воистину, добрый царь среди злых бояр. А он не царь, а всего лишь наёмный менеджер. Кстати, в США и во многих других странах портреты президентов не висят в официальных кабинетах, и бюстов не льют... Это явление присуще России, северным корейцам, некоторам арабам... А будет другой президент, Путина выкинут и повесят следующего...
[/quote]
[quote=commissar]
Yours: Financial power is most important nowadays. We are going the same way in Russia...
Mine: does not bother me & most other Americans. If it does, we'll speak out then.
[/quote]
Yep, my speech is about this.
The real power is not in the President's hands or even any officials. And most Americans doesn't bother about that.
It is very ugly really...
[quote=commissar]
Yours: Can you vote for changing the migration policy?
Mine: You bet I do, that is why many senators were scared to vote for the last immigration proposal because their constituents were
against it. Some of the senators acknowledged that publicly.
[/quote]
Ok. How many laws the senators can vote for within a year?
How many of them do you know?
Are there any public debates for all of them?
I think, you have a little (as we have, too).
The most active part of senators vote for 'needed' things for the financial world.
Some laws have voting for them when many senators are at holidays.
I mean that you haven't full control under the law acceptance.
Later you can read about the new ones and speak - but this process begins much later than the acceptance.
For example, i remember one of last Bush initiative: spying for American people without any court.
It was accepted without ANY debates and VERY fast.
And you still say there is no democracy in Russia? )))
[quote=commissar]
Yours: Really, the economic society speak about crisis several years.
Mine: let them say what they want. Enough of them speak about doomsday all life long. There are others they don't think that way, and I trust those more as our daily life ain't anywhere close to a crisis.
[/quote]
Do you believe Alan Greenspan?
He was chairman of the Fed for 19 years!
I think it is full enough to believe him about crisis and see reasons for it.
[quote=commissar]
Yours: But facts are speaking by themselves. We live better and better each year.
It's very silly "not to notice" all changes around us...
Mine: my parents are worse and worse, so are their friends and my friends in Omsk. My friends are not the last people in Omsk, they are in so-called elite, some of them live in nice apartments and have good income; yet even they are pessimistic about the country and wish their children would go overseas not to be stuck in Russia. They are not criminals yet still don't see any bright future.
[/quote]
Can you say more about your parents?
Which points of life are going worse for them?
My closest community in Omsk is business community.
Practically all my friends are very optimistic about future.
I live in Omsk all my life and i know here hundreds people.
Please, be more particularly when you describe the situation in Russia and especially in Omsk - i would like to speak about it a bit more detailed.
[quote=commissar]
Yours: Yes, i say thanks to Putin and his crew for this.
Mine: sounds like "Spasibo, tsar'-batyushka", frankly.
I went to Omsk 6 times during last 6 years; your prices are almost like ours yet your income is way, way less. People are not smiling, NOT friendly; my family was humiliated in Moscow because they thought we are like from Byelorussia and we happened to be Americans; I was treated differently (much better) when I happened to mention that I am from USA in numerous occasions. People are treated like dogs; my kids wanted to go back on the first day. I feel sorry for you guys; you do not know how bad the life in Russia is. It is surely much better than in many other places in the world; yet night and day compared to, say, United States. I was lucky to get here; I am certainly very lucky to have the job I have; yet even without this job I would not go elsewhere. I would only repeat:
Если в России удастся построить такое же успешное общество, как в Америке, я буду счастлив. А пока же мне хочется прожить оставшиеся годы в спокойной и сытой старости, а не рядом с жерлом вулкана, где то жар, то мороз, то пир, то мор.
[/quote]
Moscow is a special case in Russia. We don't like them much.
I don't know what is your closest Omsk community and why they don't smile :-)
[quote=commissar]
Yours:
By the way, which Russian press you read?
What are common sources of information about Russia you have?
Mine: no paper as too expensive, obviously; Channel 1 Russia, NTV America, RTVI (very infrequently as hardly any time for TV at all); most info I get online at Izvestia.ru, Lenta.ru, Newsru.com, ej.ru, newtimes,ru, novayagazeta.ru & sometimes other web sites here & there. And, of course, friends & relatives.
[/quote]
And what American press do you read about Russia?
I read inosmi.ru every day, they translate a lot of foreign press on Russian.
I notice that vast majority of US & Eu press are extremely prejudiced with all questions about Russia.
Arab, China, Japan, most Asia, South America and Africa press are lot more friendly to us.
Okay, and few more questions:
1) What can you say about Khodorkovsky?
2) What can you say about companies such as BP, Shell, losing unfair contracts with our country?
3) What can you say about Litvinenko and Politkovskaya?
4) Chechnya?
5) Berezovskiy?
6) Orange Ukrainian revolution ?
7) Rose Georgian revolution?
I'm interested to hear your vision of reasons for these themes.[hr]
Вопрос: The real power is not in the President's hands or even any officials. And most Americans doesn't bother about that.
It is very ugly really...
Ответ: вот какая бы отвратительная система в США ни была, подавляющее большинство она устраивает. А у недовольных всегда есть выбор места жительства, если уж они так ненавидят страну, в которой живут. Кстати, большинство недовольных мало какой вклад внесли, однако считают, что им правительство всё должно (за счёт налогоплательщиков, т.е. нас). Что касается критики из других стран - сделайте у себя лучше.
Вопрос: How many laws the senators can vote for within a year?
How many of them do you know?
Are there any public debates for all of them?
I think, you have a little (as we have, too).
Ответ: сколько хотят, но, собственно, какая разница в количестве?
Я лично ни с одним не знаком, но имена многих знаю.
Во время предвыборной кампании дебатам и встречам несть числа.
Цитата: I mean that you haven't full control under the law acceptance.
Later you can read about the new ones and speak - but this process begins much later than the acceptance.
Комментарий: Да, я в Капитолий не езжу и голосовать за принятие федеральных законов не могу. На то и есть представительная демократия. Моим представителям в федеральном правительстве я всегда могу позвонить и написать. И перед принятием законов мы так и делаем, если считаем нужным. ПЕРЕД, а не после, как вы написали.
Цитата: For example, i remember one of last Bush initiative: spying for American people without any court.
Комментарий: инициативы о шпионстве за американцами не было. Было предложение о расширении полномочий закона FISA, принятого в 1978 году, о прослушивании телефонных разговоров лиц, подозреваемых в связях с зарубежными террористами и звонящих этим людям.
Цитата: It was accepted without ANY debates and VERY fast.
Комментарий: ложь. Обсуждение длилось несколько недель, как при любом предложении.
Вопрос: And you still say there is no democracy in Russia?
Ответ: в России имеются её чахлые зачатки. Но какое отношение имеет прохождение законов в США к России и её демократии?
Вопрос: Do you believe Alan Greenspan?
He was chairman of the Fed for 19 years!
I think it is full enough to believe him about crisis and see reasons for it.
Ответ: я не специалист уровня Гринспена. Я могу сказать о том, с чем сталкиваюсь в повседневной жизни. Кризиса нет. Кстати, Гриспен на днях сказал: I think the probabilities have risen, but I'm scarcely at a point where I'm forecasting that we're about to experience significant recessions either in the U.S. or Britain.
Вопрос: Can you say more about your parents?
Which points of life are going worse for them?
Ответ: оба - инженеры, работали на закрытом предприятии; в советское время могли в отпуск съездить, меня материально поддержать в начале учёбы в другом городе, имели кое-какие сбережения. Сейчас отец работает начальником отдела в системе здравоохранения, получает гроши, мама на пенсии; доход около 8 тыс. рублей в месяц; отец пенсионного возраста, но работает, потому что если уйдёт на пенсию, то на 4,5 тыс им будет очень трудно. Живут в 9-этажном неплохом по советским меркам доме, мимо которого большиство из вас несколько раз проезжало, которыц постепенно превращается в сарай благодаря жильцам и наплевательскому отношению местных властей. Рост цен превышает рост их дохода. От того, что общий доход по стране растёт, им ни холодно, ни жарко. Они со страхом смотрят в будущее, потому что в Америке им пенсия, кроме русской (гроши) не светит, ибо не работали, на моей шее сидеть не хотят, эмигрировать пока не собираются, а расходы ожидаются больше и больше, особенно на медицину. Конечно, я им помогу, когда припрёт. Вот, наконец-то иммиграционную визу получили, потому что гостевой им не давали, так теперь смогут ко мне ездить.
Вопросы и ответы:
1) What can you say about Khodorkovsky?
Не ангел во плоти, но правосудие к нему очень уж избирательное и не кажется справедливым.
2) What can you say about companies such as BP, Shell, losing unfair contracts with our country?
Ничего не могу сказать, т.к. знаю тоько понаслышке.
3) What can you say about Litvinenko and Politkovskaya?
Ни с кем из них лично не знаком; Литвиненко казался скользким типом; Политковскую уважаю за её смелость и за то, что осталась в России, будучи гражданкой США; не был согласен с некоторыми её выводами, особенно с её благосклонным отношением к чеченским бандитам; если имеете в виду процессы по их делам, то тут явно замешаны российские власти, скорее всего опосредованно, но уж очень они мешали...
4) Chechnya?
Бандюки они ещё те, в том числе и ныне стоящие у власти; равно как и те в России, кому выгодно продолжение этой войны. А выгодна война многим. Конечно, и русские военные там постарались, они мне рассказывали о своих "подвигах". В результате там почти не осталось живших поколенями русских, и почти все чеченцы ненавидят русских (оин и раньше-то не очень жаловали).
5) Berezovskiy?
Я бы с ним дело не имел.
6) Orange Ukrainian revolution ?
А хто их знает... России не надо было туда лезть, вот и всё. Пусть бы сами между собой разбирались.
7) Rose Georgian revolution? См. выше про Украину. Саакашвили какой-то дурной временами бывает, а России только того и надо... Тут срочно вспомнили, что минералка и вины плохие, и что чего-то авиаминистерство или кто-то там задолжал... Вот именно в то же самое время. Не раньше и не позже. России бы не реагировать на их не всегда адекватные действия, а она как психованный сосед...[hr][quote=Kent]
[quote=commissar]Sorry for missing this earlier. Someone, I forgot who, said that the whole world is a play and all people are actors. From that point of view it may indeed be called a theater. I do no[/quote]
I write some offtop but it's funny to read eng-rus-eng translation. W. Shakespeare wrote
"All the world's a stage
And all the men and women merely players..."
Ответ: спасибо за источник. Теперь знаю, что перевод на русский был не совсем верным. Учту. Я бы перевёл: Весь мир - это сцена, а люди - игроки. Stage - это не театр. По крайней мере, не в американском английском.
[quote=commissar]What about your migrating policy?
Answer: it is a disaster! My opinion: access to any social services for illegals should be stopped, businesses that hire them should be heavily prosecuted; this will make most of illegals leave the country; and we should prosecute them when caught for being here illegally which is a crime according to the law. I thinsk that immigration should be based mostly on merit.[/quote]
Если не секрет, то чем вы заслужили иммиграцию? Поговорим насчет ограничения возможностей нелегалов. Сейчас эта проблема стоит почти перед всеми развитыми странами. Какова же ее основная причина? Не в том ли, что в странах, откуда "лезут" эти [s]тарака[/s] эмигранты, живется им откровенно говоря не сладко.
Почему бы Америке не поделиться, если не землей и рабочими местами, то хотя бы инвестированием образования, науки и технического развития этих стран? Вместо того, чтобы вкладывать деньги в выкачивание рессурсов, которое число иммигрантов лишь увеличивает...
Ответ: я приехал в гости и подал на убежище по совету американцев. В то время заявление рассматривалось годами, тем временем мог легально жить и работать в США. А в 99-м выиграл зелёную карту. Мне, конечно, очень повезло.
Мне кажется, правительствам тех стран, откуда едут нелегалы, особенно Мексики, не мешало бы позаботиться о своих гражданах, вместо того, чтобы обвинять США во всех своих проблемах. Они-то с иностранцами не очень церемонятся. Насчёт инвестирования образования, науки и технического развития этих стран: мы это делаем, хотя это прежде всего их ответственность, мы тратим миллиарды на них, хотя не обязаны. Кстати, какая ещё страна так делает?
[quote=commissar]Answer: I do, and that is one of the things that worries me. Even if all votes were counted correctly in the last presidential election he still would have won. To me, he is a dishonest & cynical person, I would not trust him a thing. What worries me is that Russians are brainwashed so much that astounding 70% of voters vote for him.
[/quote]
Жесть! Не ужели, на ваш взгляд, реальный рейтинг больше, а честность и цинничность меньше у Буша?
Путинский рейтинг реален, вот именно это меня и беспокоит, что так промыли мозги. Отдалённо напоминает времена Сталина. Народу нравится его хамство и его мстительность; воистину, добрый царь среди злых бояр. А он не царь, а всего лишь наёмный менеджер. Кстати, в США и во многих других странах портреты президентов не висят в официальных кабинетах, и бюстов не льют... Это явление присуще России, северным корейцам, некоторам арабам... А будет другой президент, Путина выкинут и повесят следующего...
[hr][quote=commissar]
[quote=rjo]
[quote=commissar]
Yours: Financial power is most important nowadays. We are going the same way in Russia...
Mine: does not bother me & most other Americans. If it does, we'll speak out then.
[/quote]
Yep, my speech is about this.
The real power is not in the President's hands or even any officials. And most Americans doesn't bother about that.
It is very ugly really...
[quote=commissar]
Yours: Can you vote for changing the migration policy?
Mine: You bet I do, that is why many senators were scared to vote for the last immigration proposal because their constituents were
against it. Some of the senators acknowledged that publicly.
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Ok. How many laws the senators can vote for within a year?
How many of them do you know?
Are there any public debates for all of them?
I think, you have a little (as we have, too).
The most active part of senators vote for 'needed' things for the financial world.
Some laws have voting for them when many senators are at holidays.
I mean that you haven't full control under the law acceptance.
Later you can read about the new ones and speak - but this process begins much later than the acceptance.
For example, i remember one of last Bush initiative: spying for American people without any court.
It was accepted without ANY debates and VERY fast.
And you still say there is no democracy in Russia? )))
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Yours: Really, the economic society speak about crisis several years.
Mine: let them say what they want. Enough of them speak about doomsday all life long. There are others they don't think that way, and I trust those more as our daily life ain't anywhere close to a crisis.
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Do you believe Alan Greenspan?
He was chairman of the Fed for 19 years!
I think it is full enough to believe him about crisis and see reasons for it.
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Yours: But facts are speaking by themselves. We live better and better each year.
It's very silly "not to notice" all changes around us...
Mine: my parents are worse and worse, so are their friends and my friends in Omsk. My friends are not the last people in Omsk, they are in so-called elite, some of them live in nice apartments and have good income; yet even they are pessimistic about the country and wish their children would go overseas not to be stuck in Russia. They are not criminals yet still don't see any bright future.
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Can you say more about your parents?
Which points of life are going worse for them?
My closest community in Omsk is business community.
Practically all my friends are very optimistic about future.
I live in Omsk all my life and i know here hundreds people.
Please, be more particularly when you describe the situation in Russia and especially in Omsk - i would like to speak about it a bit more detailed.
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Yours: Yes, i say thanks to Putin and his crew for this.
Mine: sounds like "Spasibo, tsar'-batyushka", frankly.
I went to Omsk 6 times during last 6 years; your prices are almost like ours yet your income is way, way less. People are not smiling, NOT friendly; my family was humiliated in Moscow because they thought we are like from Byelorussia and we happened to be Americans; I was treated differently (much better) when I happened to mention that I am from USA in numerous occasions. People are treated like dogs; my kids wanted to go back on the first day. I feel sorry for you guys; you do not know how bad the life in Russia is. It is surely much better than in many other places in the world; yet night and day compared to, say, United States. I was lucky to get here; I am certainly very lucky to have the job I have; yet even without this job I would not go elsewhere. I would only repeat:
Если в России удастся построить такое же успешное общество, как в Америке, я буду счастлив. А пока же мне хочется прожить оставшиеся годы в спокойной и сытой старости, а не рядом с жерлом вулкана, где то жар, то мороз, то пир, то мор.
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Moscow is a special case in Russia. We don't like them much.
I don't know what is your closest Omsk community and why they don't smile :-)
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Yours:
By the way, which Russian press you read?
What are common sources of information about Russia you have?
Mine: no paper as too expensive, obviously; Channel 1 Russia, NTV America, RTVI (very infrequently as hardly any time for TV at all); most info I get online at Izvestia.ru, Lenta.ru, Newsru.com, ej.ru, newtimes,ru, novayagazeta.ru & sometimes other web sites here & there. And, of course, friends & relatives.
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And what American press do you read about Russia?
I read inosmi.ru every day, they translate a lot of foreign press on Russian.
I notice that vast majority of US & Eu press are extremely prejudiced with all questions about Russia.
Arab, China, Japan, most Asia, South America and Africa press are lot more friendly to us.
Okay, and few more questions:
1) What can you say about Khodorkovsky?
2) What can you say about companies such as BP, Shell, losing unfair contracts with our country?
3) What can you say about Litvinenko and Politkovskaya?
4) Chechnya?
5) Berezovskiy?
6) Orange Ukrainian revolution ?
7) Rose Georgian revolution?
I'm interested to hear your vision of reasons for these themes.[hr]
Вопрос: The real power is not in the President's hands or even any officials. And most Americans doesn't bother about that.
It is very ugly really...
Ответ: вот какая бы отвратительная система в США ни была, подавляющее большинство она устраивает. А у недовольных всегда есть выбор места жительства, если уж они так ненавидят страну, в которой живут. Кстати, большинство недовольных мало какой вклад внесли, однако считают, что им правительство всё должно (за счёт налогоплательщиков, т.е. нас). Что касается критики из других стран - сделайте у себя лучше.
Вопрос: How many laws the senators can vote for within a year?
How many of them do you know?
Are there any public debates for all of them?
I think, you have a little (as we have, too).
Ответ: сколько хотят, но, собственно, какая разница в количестве?
Я лично ни с одним не знаком, но имена многих знаю.
Во время предвыборной кампании дебатам и встречам несть числа.
Цитата: I mean that you haven't full control under the law acceptance.
Later you can read about the new ones and speak - but this process begins much later than the acceptance.
Комментарий: Да, я в Капитолий не езжу и голосовать за принятие федеральных законов не могу. На то и есть представительная демократия. Моим представителям в федеральном правительстве я всегда могу позвонить и написать. И перед принятием законов мы так и делаем, если считаем нужным. ПЕРЕД, а не после, как вы написали.
Цитата: For example, i remember one of last Bush initiative: spying for American people without any court.
Комментарий: инициативы о шпионстве за американцами не было. Было предложение о расширении полномочий закона FISA, принятого в 1978 году, о прослушивании телефонных разговоров лиц, подозреваемых в связях с зарубежными террористами и звонящих этим людям.
Цитата: It was accepted without ANY debates and VERY fast.
Комментарий: ложь. Обсуждение длилось несколько недель, как при любом предложении.
Вопрос: And you still say there is no democracy in Russia?
Ответ: в России имеются её чахлые зачатки. Но какое отношение имеет прохождение законов в США к России и её демократии?
Вопрос: Do you believe Alan Greenspan?
He was chairman of the Fed for 19 years!
I think it is full enough to believe him about crisis and see reasons for it.
Ответ: я не специалист уровня Гринспена. Я могу сказать о том, с чем сталкиваюсь в повседневной жизни. Кризиса нет. Кстати, Гриспен на днях сказал: I think the probabilities have risen, but I'm scarcely at a point where I'm forecasting that we're about to experience significant recessions either in the U.S. or Britain.
Вопрос: Can you say more about your parents?
Which points of life are going worse for them?
Ответ: оба - инженеры, работали на закрытом предприятии; в советское время могли в отпуск съездить, меня материально поддержать в начале учёбы в другом городе, имели кое-какие сбережения. Сейчас отец работает начальником отдела в системе здравоохранения, получает гроши, мама на пенсии; доход около 8 тыс. рублей в месяц; отец пенсионного возраста, но работает, потому что если уйдёт на пенсию, то на 4,5 тыс им будет очень трудно. Живут в 9-этажном неплохом по советским меркам доме, мимо которого большиство из вас несколько раз проезжало, которыц постепенно превращается в сарай благодаря жильцам и наплевательскому отношению местных властей. Рост цен превышает рост их дохода. От того, что общий доход по стране растёт, им ни холодно, ни жарко. Они со страхом смотрят в будущее, потому что в Америке им пенсия, кроме русской (гроши) не светит, ибо не работали, на моей шее сидеть не хотят, эмигрировать пока не собираются, а расходы ожидаются больше и больше, особенно на медицину. Конечно, я им помогу, когда припрёт. Вот, наконец-то иммиграционную визу получили, потому что гостевой им не давали, так теперь смогут ко мне ездить.
Вопросы и ответы:
1) What can you say about Khodorkovsky?
Не ангел во плоти, но правосудие к нему очень уж избирательное и не кажется справедливым.
2) What can you say about companies such as BP, Shell, losing unfair contracts with our country?
Ничего не могу сказать, т.к. знаю тоько понаслышке.
3) What can you say about Litvinenko and Politkovskaya?
Ни с кем из них лично не знаком; Литвиненко казался скользким типом; Политковскую уважаю за её смелость и за то, что осталась в России, будучи гражданкой США; не был согласен с некоторыми её выводами, особенно с её благосклонным отношением к чеченским бандитам; если имеете в виду процессы по их делам, то тут явно замешаны российские власти, скорее всего опосредованно, но уж очень они мешали...
4) Chechnya?
Бандюки они ещё те, в том числе и ныне стоящие у власти; равно как и те в России, кому выгодно продолжение этой войны. А выгодна война многим. Конечно, и русские военные там постарались, они мне рассказывали о своих "подвигах". В результате там почти не осталось живших поколенями русских, и почти все чеченцы ненавидят русских (оин и раньше-то не очень жаловали).
5) Berezovskiy?
Я бы с ним дело не имел.
6) Orange Ukrainian revolution ?
А хто их знает... России не надо было туда лезть, вот и всё. Пусть бы сами между собой разбирались.
7) Rose Georgian revolution? См. выше про Украину. Саакашвили какой-то дурной временами бывает, а России только того и надо... Тут срочно вспомнили, что минералка и вины плохие, и что чего-то авиаминистерство или кто-то там задолжал... Вот именно в то же самое время. Не раньше и не позже. России бы не реагировать на их не всегда адекватные действия, а она как психованный сосед...[hr][quote=Kent]
[quote=commissar]Sorry for missing this earlier. Someone, I forgot who, said that the whole world is a play and all people are actors. From that point of view it may indeed be called a theater. I do no[/quote]
I write some offtop but it's funny to read eng-rus-eng translation. W. Shakespeare wrote
"All the world's a stage
And all the men and women merely players..."
Ответ: спасибо за источник. Теперь знаю, что перевод на русский был не совсем верным. Учту. Я бы перевёл: Весь мир - это сцена, а люди - игроки. Stage - это не театр. По крайней мере, не в американском английском.
[quote=commissar]What about your migrating policy?
Answer: it is a disaster! My opinion: access to any social services for illegals should be stopped, businesses that hire them should be heavily prosecuted; this will make most of illegals leave the country; and we should prosecute them when caught for being here illegally which is a crime according to the law. I thinsk that immigration should be based mostly on merit.[/quote]
Если не секрет, то чем вы заслужили иммиграцию? Поговорим насчет ограничения возможностей нелегалов. Сейчас эта проблема стоит почти перед всеми развитыми странами. Какова же ее основная причина? Не в том ли, что в странах, откуда "лезут" эти [s]тарака[/s] эмигранты, живется им откровенно говоря не сладко.
Почему бы Америке не поделиться, если не землей и рабочими местами, то хотя бы инвестированием образования, науки и технического развития этих стран? Вместо того, чтобы вкладывать деньги в выкачивание рессурсов, которое число иммигрантов лишь увеличивает...
Ответ: я приехал в гости и подал на убежище по совету американцев. В то время заявление рассматривалось годами, тем временем мог легально жить и работать в США. А в 99-м выиграл зелёную карту. Мне, конечно, очень повезло.
Мне кажется, правительствам тех стран, откуда едут нелегалы, особенно Мексики, не мешало бы позаботиться о своих гражданах, вместо того, чтобы обвинять США во всех своих проблемах. Они-то с иностранцами не очень церемонятся. Насчёт инвестирования образования, науки и технического развития этих стран: мы это делаем, хотя это прежде всего их ответственность, мы тратим миллиарды на них, хотя не обязаны. Кстати, какая ещё страна так делает?
[quote=commissar]Answer: I do, and that is one of the things that worries me. Even if all votes were counted correctly in the last presidential election he still would have won. To me, he is a dishonest & cynical person, I would not trust him a thing. What worries me is that Russians are brainwashed so much that astounding 70% of voters vote for him.
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Жесть! Не ужели, на ваш взгляд, реальный рейтинг больше, а честность и цинничность меньше у Буша?
Ответ: Путинский рейтинг реален, вот именно это меня и беспокоит, что так промыли мозги. Отдалённо напоминает времена Сталина. Народу нравится его хамство и его мстительность; воистину, добрый царь среди злых бояр. А он не царь, а всего лишь наёмный менеджер. Кстати, в США и во многих других странах портреты президентов не висят в официальных кабинетах, и бюстов не льют... Это явление присуще России, северным корейцам, некоторам арабам... А будет другой президент, Путина выкинут и повесят следующего...
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